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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg they say turn

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around his fair play and Chris and I

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have been wondering before this episode

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of the parent cast started what we were

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getting ourselves into because we've

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done listen to round tables and we've

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got another listener round table but the

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only difference is we are the guests

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Chris and I and they are the hosts sir

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at home like I'll be kind of a

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ringmaster and keep it going we'll

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introduce our guest in just a moment and

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they'll say hello to you some you've

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heard before on the show one guest has

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never been on the show and after this he

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probably won't come back but first let

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me tell you what we got going here we've

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our cast com+ not the power cast comm

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what's it all about it has to do with

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the fact that we offer a higher quality

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version of the power cast without the

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network ads we offer after the power

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cast which is sort of an extension to

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the show or maybe a postgame show or a

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wrap-up show and sometimes we have

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special guests there after the power

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cast we also have an open chat room for

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better or worse that's going to

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eventually have scheduled events we've

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got video content coming plus dr. Peres

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the same price as a Starbucks coffee it

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won't save a Starbucks advertisers we

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subscription and a copy of Christopher

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or Brian's secrets of the mysterious

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$175 you get that book and one more this

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so for $175 five-year subscription it's

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like adding 18 months free and two

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PDF formats so you don't have to have a

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plus dot the power cast com+ Natha power

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will have them say something as I

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introduced them first we have one of our

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favorite forum participants who's been

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on the show before burnt State welcome

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back thank you very much for having me

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on I'm happy to be here to intro and

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interrogate you well that's how it goes

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this way if they arrest me I'll be ready

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Jeff Crowell has been on before he's a

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we have ufology affectionately known as

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Randall who was on once before is that

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correct sir

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oh yeah that's absolutely correct

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fabulous experience and happy birthday

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Jean well that's right we're doing this

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on September 9th I have just passed the

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600 mark and that's in dog years so you

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seven still a lot it's still a lot I

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think someday we'll all live that long

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you know he doesn't eat t live forever

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so you're like Methuselah brother or

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something like that and we have a new

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friend of the show and his avatar is the

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original classic apples rainbow avatar

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the rainbow logo

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Chris Johnson you're doing this with

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apples permission just a little homage

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so I take it here that one or more of

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you was actually listening to Apple's

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media event today yes I was okay we're

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not gonna get much into that except for

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a comment Chris made before I think that

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Apple is just taking over the world what

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do you think Chris in fact we've got to

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do this this way since we have to Chris

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is here we can call mr. O Brien KK organ

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call Chris Johnson see Jade what does

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that work for you CJ yeah I think that's

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the best way to go okay Chris what do

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you think Apple taking over the world

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and making it ready for et to land well

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I don't think it's by accident it

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the Garden of Eden featured an apple

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that was being bitten into and driving

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humans out of how to paradise I think

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the more people are buying into Apple

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products the more people's nose will be

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buried in their their chests I think

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we're gonna have less people keeping

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their eyes to the sky keeping aware of

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their environment and I think we're

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actually gonna see less sighting events

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now that everybody is so totally

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engrossed in their cell phones and

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like a trend like that myself

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well is that the reason why we don't get

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really a lot of compelling UFO photos

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people who might be seeing something or

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busy texting yeah we could be seen you

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know a continuation of this long

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downward slide this sort of decline of

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civilization I really don't think that

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that's a good thing I'm looking at this

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as people becoming more and more

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isolated really even though there's all

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these points of connection all over I

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think people are becoming more and more

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isolated if you look at the new words

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have been added into the Webster's

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dictionary they're all narcissistic

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they're all twerking and tweaking and

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and selfies and I go up to Grand Canyon

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you know several times a week and I want

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to just take one of these selfie sticks

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and wrap it around some you know one of

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these people's necks it's just our beat

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them with it it's just the narcissism

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that I'm seeing in the younger

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generations I you know I may be showing

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my age here a little bit but you know

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it's just there's just something wrong

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about it is that true here though that

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Donald Trump has done selfies Obama has

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done selfies Hilary has done selfies so

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if you're running for president now you

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have to do a selfie I have never ever

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done a selfie okay I don't think I have

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people have included me and their

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selfies but I I'm not I don't I try to

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keep photographs in pictorial images of

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me down to a minimum unless they're

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paying me well there is that listen here

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let's really jump into whatever we're

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doing now

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to preface this our four guests have

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their own questions their own issues

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questions from our audience when you add

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them all together probably won't be time

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to do any more of this guff so let's get

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started I'm thinking here we should go

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alphabetical not to really hurt

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anybody's ego but that depends so burnt

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state being the letter B being ahead of

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the other letters why don't you start

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the ball rolling do you have any

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questions or comments to offer us well

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I've got one initial comment which is

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I've been listening to the show since

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mint for many years since the B Edney

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era and I've spurred Chris right from

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the beginning and I just wanted to thank

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both of you for creating such a strong

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show and for investigating paranormality

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with seriousness with a sense of humor

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and to do it relentlessly week after

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week and I think just an honor of your

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birthday it's worth us just celebrating

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that fact that you were just such

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excellent contributors to the field and

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initial point before we get down and

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dirty with things basically here you're

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gonna compliment us and then it's open

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season so here we go what I wanted to do

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little lightning round thing to kind of

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set the tone for the audience in terms

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of where you're coming from on some

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issues I just got eleven quick points

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here that I'd like you to respond to

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with yes it's real gray basket or you

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might say false or hoaxed or human

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imagination maybe we can have Chris

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answer first and then Jean you can come

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in as the elder statesman after sound

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all this commenting about my age elder

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statesman but you see my voice gets

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older as we speak apparently Irish watch

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I'm an Irish Jew no I'm not my family

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comes from East Europe go ahead Chris

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think but I think there's something

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there well what's the affirmative word

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yes it's really something there whatever

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probable okay gene

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possibility for it

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alien abductions gray basket definitely

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I don't want to sound like I'm just

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echoing Chris but definitely gray basket

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military abductions yeah firm ative I

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think that's that's going on has been

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for a while oh yeah absolutely

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before we go on we've got to do a break

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I'll have to control the brakes because

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you know it's gonna get real confusing

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and then we'll continue with the seven

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deadly questions that are already in

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progress from brunch state so it's

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turnaround time a listener roundtable

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asked Gina and Chris and what's gonna

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happen next I have no idea with gene and

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Chris you're in the para goth

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so here's what happened I was placing an

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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but I'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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your site goes down you could lose

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business and if you have a business or

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personal site you'll want to know it's

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easy to run and it will stay online at

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iWeb your site is hosted on one of the

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most reliable networks in the world talk

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to a sales rep at iWeb comm use the

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promo code tech night-owl for a special

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discount first game attack of the rock

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codes and it was a critically acclaimed

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success and now there's the coming of

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the protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocko XCOM that's rock oh

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I'm speechless yeah that end Ming the

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Merciless from Chris Markowski I was

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brilliant okay I guess Chris Johnson

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Jeff Crowell ufology Randle burnt State

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burnt state's been asking us questions

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with one-word answers or something like

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that about when we believe or not

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believe or have a great basket response

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would you continue sir

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ghosts Chris I've seen one so I've got

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to say yes G hmm one time my first wife

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saw a water elemental which i guess is

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some kind of spiritual entity I did not

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see anything so I would say probably

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because I believe her even though she

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was only my first wife next one

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life after death is then you die you go

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to some strange mystical place get in

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touch with God or whoever and then

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manage to make it back to tell the tale

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couch like that I'd say no but I think

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you know the the element that we call

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spirit or our sort of soul or spiritual

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presence I think continues on yes gene

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I'm wondering here about that I go along

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with something continuing sometimes I

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think that the individual is not aware

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of their dead they just move on to

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another reality but something has to

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give somewhere and I'd rather not think

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it just stops does that explain anything

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it does so in keeping with that how

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about we G boards and the ability to

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contact the dead Chris I've seen it with

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my own eyes and I have proof

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investigative proof so I say definitely

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yeah it's it not everybody I think has

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that that capability but I have met

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people they do gene I'm gonna call it

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grey basket for now I haven't seen the

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solid evidence but

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I appreciate that there's a lot of data

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there this one is for one of the great

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posters out there and that's weed

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this one's synchronicities and when we

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say synchronicities we mean that there's

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some kind of perhaps magical or mystical

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design at work in terms of patterning

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and the way that information comes to us

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and how we participate in that Chris

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magical amidst the mystical I am not

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sure about that but in terms of

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meaningful coincidence that seems to be

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part of an overall formula play pattern

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er yes okay

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G yes and so this one here for you Chris

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cattle mutilations false hoaxes human

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imagination paranormal all the above

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yeah G I'll go with that sure but Chris

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is the expert on mutilations I'm just a

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bystander thought we could get conflict

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there with that last question can you

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take a real picture of a UFO yes

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absolutely yes I agree with that

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definitely you can take one the problem

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is here is that nowadays just about

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anything that appears on a digital

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camera or old-fashioned film can be

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duplicated and can be faked that's it

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for me okay let's go to CJ great you

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know I was thinking one of the reasons

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why I mentioned this kind of episode in

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the forum's was you know having been a

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longtime listener myself I think since

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the like Robert said since the be at

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knee era

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you guys have shared you know bits and

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pieces of your what I call your origin

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story you know over numerous episodes

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and I was hoping that we could use this

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opportunity to kind of pull everything

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together so I know you've talked about

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some of this stuff in the past but as

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hosts Jean and Chris what are your

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origin stories what got you into the

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paranormal in the field of ufology

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experiences or just reading was it film

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TV that are relative bring you in and

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and what has kept your passion all these

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all these decades this is the origin

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story has nothing to do with being a

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subject to radiation make me run very

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fast like the flash or something

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like that since we have origin stories

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this is not a comic book origin story

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it's just me going to my brother's house

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on Carroll Street in Brooklyn when I was

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real young like 11 years old and seeing

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a book called flying saucers from outer

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space by matric hijo on a coffee table

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in the living room

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he wasn't home his wife was and she said

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I noticed you're looking at that book

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would you like to borrow it

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and I said sure and I took it home and I

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read it and the rest is history why do I

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keep doing it

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I guess because I don't know any better

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so that single experience just reading

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that kiho book basically stoked your

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passion for these past several decades

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well there's something else there and

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I'm not going to make it into a

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paranormal incident but I used to have

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recurring nightmares of something large

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and dark coming at me and it would move

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so fast and it was so frightening I'd

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wake up and that's something that has

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continued to puzzle me a little bit now

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someone wants to tell me there's a

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medical explanation for that it stopped

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when I was in my early teens and never

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happened again I don't know there's any

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connection anything else but that was

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also going on Wow Chris well I've

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mentioned this number of times on the

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show when I was six or just ready to

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turn seven I I actually had an up close

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and personal encounter with definitely

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three possibly four non-human entities

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that appeared around the foot of my bed

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I was not paralyzed I was completely

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awake I hid under the covers

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I think counted to ten or did something

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under there to make sure I was awake

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pulled the covers down expecting them to

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be gone they were there they were my my

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height three and a half four foot tall

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they held in their hands out in front of

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them kind of stiffly what appeared to be

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about foot and a half to two foot high

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wands is the only way I could describe

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it I actually described them as stick

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men with spears later but these things

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were self-illuminated they had some sort

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of sparkly light inside that was

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illuminating now there features a little

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not much it's very dark in my basement

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bedroom they were very very anorexic

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they were you know the their arms or the

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the size you know the the width of my

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thumb

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they were stick man they were extremely

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anorexic looking impossibly so they had

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large heads I've blanked out what their

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eyes look like I I don't remember their

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eyes the little that I may remember does

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not conform to your standard on big

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almond-shaped eyes of a standard gray I

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think there were more human looking I

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dashed out of my bed because I wanted to

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go upstairs and my parents had their own

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you know wing of the house with a

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outdoor exit I wanted to jump in their

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bed and say hey I'm being followed by

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these stick men when I got up to ten

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stairs and made the turn to go up to the

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last four it was either them or another

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group was standing at the top of the

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second set of stairs I took one look at

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him and I instantly dashed through the

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kitchen because I wanted to go out the

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kitchen door go around the house as fast

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as I could bang on the door run in the

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door and jump in the bed and tell him

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you know - save me help me do something

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get some sort of validation that this

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was a real experience I had forgotten

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that my dad had put the screen door on

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this was early spring of 63 I think was

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just before my birthday my birthday's in

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the third week of March I think it was

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probably the first or second week of

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March I opened the door and ran out the

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door and ran headlong into the screen

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door it literally knocked me back on my

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on my tail the first thing I did was

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look down the hall you know the the

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length of the kitchen and they were

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standing in the kitchen doorway you know

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right where the stairs were in the

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entranceway of the house the stairs

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would come up to the entranceway and

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then go up to the you know split-level

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house up to the upper deck there the

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upper level so I ran out the door

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I either saw them I'm not sure what made

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me go down the driveway I started to go

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across the patio either I saw them there

533
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or I saw the lights of their rods or

534
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something spook me like they were trying

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to herd me or head me off will continue

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this experience with Chris with gene and

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654
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bunch here yes that was that was good I

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channeled a bit of guards there of

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native Vader worked but deeper he'll

658
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probably say it was Irish they'll say no

659
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that was harsh

660
00:27:39,940 --> 00:27:36,049
yeah it was it was sort of you know

661
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generic foreign northern nation British

662
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Isles yeah

663
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Western general vicinity Chris you were

664
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telling us your early exposes that

665
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exposed you to the world with a

666
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paranormal watch pick up on it well to

667
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make a long story short I ended up going

668
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to to neighbor's houses the first

669
00:27:58,450 --> 00:27:56,210
neighbors nobody came to the door and

670
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again to remind everybody about three

671
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o'clock in the morning and the Richards

672
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my neighbor next door and then the

673
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Barkers the next neighbor over there was

674
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a big like a streetlight in in their

675
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yard a big yard light and the Barkers

676
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had a large lawn we used to play and it

677
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:15,830
was great for playing football and stuff

678
00:28:20,379 --> 00:28:18,470
and I went out in the middle of the lawn

679
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and these beans

680
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:23,990
I saw them move at this point they moved

681
00:28:27,129 --> 00:28:25,370
like cattails they all move together

682
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:27,139
they they were gliding they weren't

683
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,990
hopping up and down like walking they

684
00:28:33,159 --> 00:28:31,039
looked like the only way I could

685
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:33,169
describe his cattails kind of in the

686
00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:34,460
breeze is the only way I can describe

687
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,190
their movement and you know and they

688
00:28:40,910 --> 00:28:39,200
were holding these rods out in front of

689
00:28:42,650 --> 00:28:40,920
them they never lifted it never never

690
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,660
turn them never raised them lowered them

691
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:44,640
they were just out in front of them very

692
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:47,370
strange but I wanted to get out in the

693
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middle of the yard so if they came

694
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:51,150
underneath the yard light I get a really

695
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:52,770
good look at him because it was dark and

696
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:55,050
all I could see was you know the

697
00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:56,570
illumination from these rods

698
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:59,610
illuminating them partially so I got out

699
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,600
in the middle of the yard they

700
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:02,940
approached the light they stopped and

701
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:05,940
they came through the light beam where

702
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:07,410
the light was shining on the ground they

703
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didn't go around it they came right

704
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,430
through but they turned sideways and

705
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:13,620
they came through like pieces of paper

706
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:16,170
like they had no depth to them like they

707
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:18,840
were you know two-dimensional beans or

708
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:19,860
something is the only way I can describe

709
00:29:24,890 --> 00:29:23,220
and of course up to this point I didn't

710
00:29:27,050 --> 00:29:24,900
know what I was dealing with but when

711
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,060
that happened that terrified me

712
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:30,240
I went racing around the yard around the

713
00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:31,770
Barkers house pounding on the door the

714
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,300
last thing I remember is the light

715
00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:36,480
coming on and my sister said she looked

716
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:38,280
for about 20 minutes I think it was

717
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:41,310
longer it could have been as long as 45

718
00:29:45,770 --> 00:29:43,320
minutes trying to find me I was sweetie

719
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:45,780
four houses away plus you know cross the

720
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:48,720
street and then several houses down out

721
00:29:56,180 --> 00:29:52,620
on the deck of the Davis's house and

722
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,190
completely terrified I my sister the

723
00:30:00,170 --> 00:29:57,600
next thing I remember is her coming down

724
00:30:02,660 --> 00:30:00,180
the the deck in the driveway there to

725
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:02,670
the deck like it with her nightclothes

726
00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:04,140
fluttering behind her I thought she was

727
00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:07,950
an angel coming to save me and she of

728
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:09,180
course I wouldn't go back to my bedroom

729
00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:11,940
and you know she's so she took me up

730
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:13,830
into her bed she was 18 I was you know

731
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,450
six going on seven and she told me later

732
00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:20,700
I I didn't tell me this at the time but

733
00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:22,920
she told me years later that I tried to

734
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:26,160
nurse her while I was sleeping that's so

735
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,360
I guess that's an indication of how

736
00:30:31,150 --> 00:30:29,220
traumatic the experience was on some

737
00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:31,160
deep level and an answer to a question

738
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:33,630
ever since that event I have known

739
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:35,490
without any shadow of a doubt that we

740
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:38,550
have other entities coexisting with us I

741
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:41,010
never saw any ship I tried to

742
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:43,110
communicate I yelled at them what do you

743
00:30:46,790 --> 00:30:44,730
want what do you want who are you who

744
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:46,800
are you I got no response

745
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:49,710
there was complete blankness it was

746
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:52,200
almost like they were robots but they

747
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:53,370
move together

748
00:30:57,890 --> 00:30:55,890
there seemed to be a slightly taller one

749
00:31:00,200 --> 00:30:57,900
hiding behind I don't think it had one

750
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,210
of those rods it seemed to have some

751
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,100
sort of cloak maybe there was something

752
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:04,080
hiding his body it seemed to be a little

753
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:05,790
taller than the others

754
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:07,830
it was in the dark because it wasn't

755
00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:10,650
illuminated I got the best sense I got

756
00:31:15,650 --> 00:31:12,660
it was when it was approaching the light

757
00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:15,660
the the yard light but I'm telling you

758
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:18,540
that that was a four it was a smart

759
00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:20,370
little kid I was really really smart

760
00:31:26,419 --> 00:31:23,180
when I was young I was so off the charts

761
00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:26,429
in my IQ level and all that of course I

762
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:28,830
guess lots of partying and stuff is sort

763
00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:31,710
of slowed that whole thing down but I'm

764
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:33,420
still I consider myself pretty well read

765
00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:35,850
and pretty bright but back then I was I

766
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:39,150
was exceptional and I found out really

767
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,179
fast that I would never gain any sort of

768
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:44,880
you know anything positive by talking

769
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:47,250
about this and I I kept it hidden from

770
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:49,110
everybody but the family for many many

771
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,929
many years and it wasn't until you know

772
00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:54,240
after I gotten involved as an

773
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:56,550
investigator after I gotten involved as

774
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,500
a researcher and becoming public and all

775
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:01,260
that it wasn't until several years into

776
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:03,510
that process that I actually fest up and

777
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:05,790
and and totally you know acknowledge to

778
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:07,890
people that yes I was an experienced her

779
00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:09,690
because I was actually embarrassed by it

780
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:12,150
I felt that it was a sign of people

781
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:13,950
would think I was mentally unstable or

782
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:16,470
that I was you know a confabulate or or

783
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:18,059
I was jumping on some sort of bandwagon

784
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:21,150
but come to find out years later the

785
00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:22,710
John keel investigated three similar

786
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,390
cases in towns right around my town

787
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:26,880
during that same - I think two years

788
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:29,610
spring in spring time periods and in one

789
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,530
case the the kid actually described the

790
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,840
beans as stickmen which I would just

791
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:35,460
totally blew my mind and was really

792
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:38,400
important validation for me I'm sorry I

793
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,950
went on and on and on but you know I

794
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:41,880
mentioned this story a number of times

795
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:44,910
and I've never really done it in this

796
00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:47,490
context so that was a great answer what

797
00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:49,500
do you mind saying what town it was that

798
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:50,870
you were living in Bellevue Washington

799
00:32:56,030 --> 00:32:53,910
actually in Medina if I was 12 right now

800
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:56,040
and still had my paper out I'd be Bill

801
00:33:02,240 --> 00:32:58,140
Gates's paperboy I grew up in a very

802
00:33:03,890 --> 00:33:02,250
affluent section of Bellevue and back

803
00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:03,900
then you know it wasn't like it is now

804
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:06,300
we sold the house that we built next to

805
00:33:09,980 --> 00:33:06,990
Medina

806
00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:09,990
she for $60,000 in 98 it went for a half

807
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:12,540
a million and none of your other family

808
00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:15,179
members saw either at that evening or

809
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:17,400
anytime in the no no my parents said you

810
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:20,250
had a nightmare you sleepwalk this was

811
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:22,920
just you know your imagination it's

812
00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:24,630
funny I've never sleepwalk since and

813
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:26,540
I've I've never had any experience

814
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:29,070
except for one other experience but

815
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:33,059
nothing near as visceral and and just

816
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,370
leaving no room for interpretation in my

817
00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:37,740
mind what did you take away from it in

818
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:40,679
terms of I mean especially later on as

819
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:43,559
you became a researcher and I'm assuming

820
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:45,900
as you got older started reading books

821
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:48,600
no I started reading right away you know

822
00:33:56,740 --> 00:33:51,809
for reading books right away

823
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:56,750
incident at Exeter Adamski John fuller

824
00:34:02,510 --> 00:33:58,530
you know I could go through the list

825
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,520
even Vallet early on I I gobbled every

826
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:04,740
book I could find on it every newspaper

827
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:08,639
article I was a serious closet buff for

828
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:11,609
my entire life and so now you know

829
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:13,649
having hosted the pair cast you know

830
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:15,240
done all the reading been a researcher

831
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,700
yourself when you look back on it now do

832
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:19,560
you take is there a different take away

833
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,330
do you look at it differently do you

834
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:23,760
feel like you have figured out more

835
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:26,129
about that or is it just as confusing

836
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:29,940
and now as it was then no actually I

837
00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:32,010
have taken away something I feel that

838
00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:34,830
this was a for whatever reason you know

839
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:38,149
not looking at the the participants

840
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:40,080
characters or whatever you want to call

841
00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:42,330
them in any sort of negative or positive

842
00:34:49,099 --> 00:34:46,080
light I think it had the the impact in

843
00:34:51,859 --> 00:34:49,109
my life of making me completely absorbed

844
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:51,869
by this subject and it wasn't until I

845
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:53,490
got into a place where the stuff was

846
00:35:00,260 --> 00:34:55,950
literally happening all around me that I

847
00:35:02,359 --> 00:35:00,270
had the the confidence and the and the

848
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:02,369
compulsion to really dive into it to the

849
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:04,340
extent that I have for the past 22 years

850
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:07,170
up until that point I felt it was a

851
00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:09,810
stigma it was a social stigma and I and

852
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:12,630
I really hid my interest in this subject

853
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:14,280
especially living in New York City I

854
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:15,900
mean living in Manhattan this is

855
00:35:21,019 --> 00:35:19,140
yes social suicide to mention this stuff

856
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,029
so only a few close friends really knew

857
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:23,700
of my interest some college buddies some

858
00:35:26,989 --> 00:35:24,930
girlfriends at that sort of thing

859
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:26,999
there's very very few people that knew I

860
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,160
had an interest in it I might you know

861
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:30,960
if the subject came up I might you know

862
00:35:36,019 --> 00:35:32,910
pretend like I knew a little bit but I

863
00:35:38,299 --> 00:35:36,029
would not allow people to know to the

864
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:38,309
depth of my knowledge and I I really for

865
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,049
a long time I followed this subject

866
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,720
cattle mutilations in the 70s I mean I I

867
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:45,119
devoured every little bit of information

868
00:35:50,809 --> 00:35:48,900
that I could find and read incredible

869
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:50,819
amounts of books thousands of books that

870
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:53,369
I've read and many of hundreds and

871
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:55,140
hundreds of them I still have well

872
00:35:59,809 --> 00:35:56,970
that's the one thing that I really don't

873
00:36:02,779 --> 00:35:59,819
feel good about I did not retain all the

874
00:36:06,499 --> 00:36:02,789
books I moved to a number of places was

875
00:36:08,809 --> 00:36:06,509
married twice had to downsize from time

876
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:08,819
to time and thus I couldn't keep all the

877
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:11,640
books ok folks this is what it's all

878
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:14,460
about it's turn around his fair play as

879
00:36:19,549 --> 00:36:17,490
Jean and Chris are being grilled by our

880
00:36:22,729 --> 00:36:19,559
guest panelists which includes burnt

881
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:22,739
State Jeff Crowell you will hear from in

882
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:25,950
a moment Chris Johnson and Randle also

883
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:28,230
known as ufology so it's going to be a

884
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:32,220
lot of fun and believe you me we have no

885
00:36:37,579 --> 00:36:35,369
idea what to expect we have no idea what

886
00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:37,589
they're hatching for us with Jean and

887
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:49,679
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00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:38,460
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964
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971
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:03,980
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972
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:06,870
into the para cast let me tell you what

973
00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:09,240
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

974
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:12,750
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

975
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:16,830
that George snoring well well well you

976
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:19,980
see I mean what would this show be like

977
00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:24,000
if we didn't do that that was scarily

978
00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:29,600
good yes with the emphasis on the scary

979
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,600
Jeff growl welcome back to the show what

980
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:35,880
do you want to ask us thank you first

981
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:38,190
question would be for gene you grew up

982
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:41,880
in the kind of Golden Age of paranormal

983
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:45,300
or UFO research especially the 50s the

984
00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:48,890
60s and the 70s where researchers did

985
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:53,180
actual research they knew how to

986
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:56,010
investigate by asking the right

987
00:42:02,350 --> 00:41:58,320
questions to witnesses conducting

988
00:42:04,850 --> 00:42:02,360
genuine investigations involving

989
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:04,860
material evidence and things of this

990
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:08,760
nature and today we live in a world

991
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:11,700
where if somebody and say their 20s or

992
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,460
the 30s wants to conduct investigation

993
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:17,160
they go onto Google and they do a quick

994
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:18,480
Google search where they go onto YouTube

995
00:42:26,530 --> 00:42:21,180
and you know look at a couple of YouTube

996
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:26,540
videos do you have any suggestions as to

997
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:30,859
how we entice the younger generation

998
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,000
again maybe mid to late 20s to 30s into

999
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:38,700
actually putting the computers away and

1000
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:43,290
going out and tracking down witnesses

1001
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:46,200
and looking for trace evidence and

1002
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:48,119
things of this nature that's kind of the

1003
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:50,760
second generation or third or fourth

1004
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:54,450
generation of UFO investigators who

1005
00:42:57,859 --> 00:42:56,609
don't rely on all their investigation in

1006
00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:57,869
front of a computer screen would you

1007
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:00,630
have any idea how we might be able to

1008
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:02,970
get that done well you know here's a

1009
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:06,810
thing the society has changed the way

1010
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:09,450
our kids get information has changed I

1011
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:12,599
think looking it up online is lazy and

1012
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:15,450
also can be a dead end because there's

1013
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,310
so much information online it's very

1014
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:19,920
hard to vet what's accurate what isn't I

1015
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,140
know for example that we had a guest on

1016
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:24,000
the power cast a few years back who came

1017
00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:26,099
out with a new book and he was telling

1018
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:29,070
us he did all his research online and we

1019
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,530
kind of looked down at it for the simple

1020
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,560
reason that there was no editor online

1021
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,720
the free and open Internet such as it is

1022
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,359
means there's nobody out there to say

1023
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:41,839
this is accurate this is a red herring

1024
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:46,890
how you persuade young people to give

1025
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:48,510
that up I think if they have their own

1026
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:51,660
experience that will encourage them to

1027
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:53,670
want to do a little bit more research

1028
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:56,250
but really it has to be a self-generated

1029
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:59,010
effort I don't think that people like

1030
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:00,839
Chris and I can just go out there and

1031
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:03,060
change what they do we could educate

1032
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:07,260
them we can try that we could give

1033
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:09,810
courses on research I know of course

1034
00:44:15,579 --> 00:44:12,180
there's a online course for members of

1035
00:44:17,300 --> 00:44:15,589
MUFON it helps you do real research

1036
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,310
talking to people

1037
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:19,440
but in addition to that we have to set

1038
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:23,070
the ground rules because sometimes if

1039
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:24,930
you're just looking for the UFO sighting

1040
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:27,480
you're missing most of the story

1041
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,530
right I think too there's a kind of a

1042
00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:33,540
hope that I have that there there will

1043
00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:35,100
be a paradigm shift because a lot of

1044
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,750
times these things tend to be cyclical

1045
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,520
but right now we're all very technical

1046
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:40,980
involved we're all about technology and

1047
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:44,850
convenience and ease and I'm hoping one

1048
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:46,080
of these days that we start to see a

1049
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:47,670
shift away from the technology where

1050
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:49,500
people start to realize it if you go

1051
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:51,180
outside you know the graphics are great

1052
00:44:57,260 --> 00:44:55,350
and the air is cleaner and and all of

1053
00:44:59,720 --> 00:44:57,270
this other good stuff and that it's

1054
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,730
great to go out to you know hike in the

1055
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,440
woods and things like this and then if

1056
00:45:06,110 --> 00:45:03,960
that translates over into UFO research

1057
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:06,120
and we start to see more people taking a

1058
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,240
hands-on approach to UFO research then

1059
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:11,940
you know it's my hope and and from what

1060
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,070
I'm hearing yours too that people will

1061
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:16,740
get more hands-on with that and actually

1062
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:20,430
start to track down cases and maybe even

1063
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:22,710
have their own experiences and want to

1064
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:27,450
find answers on their own and I want to

1065
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:30,900
add that the first 10 15 years of my

1066
00:45:36,590 --> 00:45:33,930
process was pre-internet pretty for the

1067
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,600
most part and there really is no

1068
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:38,640
substitute for putting in the miles

1069
00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:41,570
making the site visits interviewing

1070
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:43,590
individuals who have had extraordinary

1071
00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:45,800
experiences looking them in the eye

1072
00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:47,790
talking to their neighbors talking to

1073
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:49,860
family members kind of beating the

1074
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,200
bushes around the incident looking for

1075
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:54,480
ancillary information looking for

1076
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,090
additional confirming type information

1077
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:00,720
you know to do the gumshoe you know hit

1078
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:03,270
the ground and you know log the miles

1079
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:05,970
and and you know keep that that notepad

1080
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,070
keeps scribbling in it write everything

1081
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:10,920
down record as much as people will allow

1082
00:46:15,830 --> 00:46:13,500
you to record you can't do that just

1083
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:15,840
sitting in your chair at your desk

1084
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:18,810
relying on other people's supposed

1085
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:21,060
expertise it just doesn't work that way

1086
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,160
there's no real quality you know

1087
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,740
research that you can really depend on

1088
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,880
as a person unless you do it yourself

1089
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,200
and even if you're going into an old

1090
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,880
case you know to revisit some of the

1091
00:46:37,610 --> 00:46:35,280
sources and to choose your resource

1092
00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:37,620
material and where it comes from very

1093
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:40,350
carefully right I have another big fear

1094
00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:40,960
that I have

1095
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:44,920
is that we will lose the skill set that

1096
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:48,730
the the old school quality UFO

1097
00:46:53,579 --> 00:46:50,380
researchers had like I said the the

1098
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:53,589
skill to interview a witness and and to

1099
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:55,030
be able to determine if that witness is

1100
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,470
telling the truth okay

1101
00:47:02,609 --> 00:46:59,680
or is falsifying something the skill to

1102
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,619
be able to go to where perhaps a craft

1103
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:05,440
made contact and to be able to take soil

1104
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:06,910
samples and know where to send those

1105
00:47:12,809 --> 00:47:09,010
soil samples aren't to to have them

1106
00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:12,819
tested and in those types of skills you

1107
00:47:16,349 --> 00:47:14,440
know the skill even just a submit a FOIA

1108
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:16,359
request a lot of people don't even know

1109
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:18,460
how to do that do you think that those

1110
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:22,150
skills over time will be lost and you

1111
00:47:26,010 --> 00:47:23,890
know does that frighten you do you share

1112
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,020
those types of fears as well well I

1113
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:28,000
think one of the things that occur to me

1114
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:30,550
here is that if we lose the ability to

1115
00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:34,329
be skeptical it's very easy to submit

1116
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:37,480
yourself to control by people who don't

1117
00:47:42,329 --> 00:47:39,940
want you to know what's going on I think

1118
00:47:44,609 --> 00:47:42,339
that happens in politics I think there's

1119
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,619
a lot of noise in the political arena

1120
00:47:48,359 --> 00:47:46,720
now I'll concentrate mostly on America

1121
00:47:50,849 --> 00:47:48,369
because I don't follow politics that

1122
00:47:53,730 --> 00:47:50,859
much outside of the US but you have a

1123
00:47:55,770 --> 00:47:53,740
lot of smoke and mirrors and discussions

1124
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:55,780
of totally absurd things that have

1125
00:48:03,210 --> 00:47:59,440
nothing to do with the real issues but

1126
00:48:05,309 --> 00:48:03,220
they're put up there to hide what's

1127
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,319
really going on and to keep you from

1128
00:48:11,339 --> 00:48:08,400
understanding what the real issues are

1129
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,349
so I'll throw something that's political

1130
00:48:15,329 --> 00:48:12,640
out there and give you an example

1131
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:15,339
so we argue here whether we should fund

1132
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:19,920
a place that may as part of their work

1133
00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:24,579
schedule or profile do abortions and we

1134
00:48:28,819 --> 00:48:26,260
don't worry so much with all that

1135
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:28,829
argument about people earning more money

1136
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:31,630
about people having jobs about people

1137
00:48:36,359 --> 00:48:34,030
having enough money to be able to

1138
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:36,369
support a family without having to work

1139
00:48:41,819 --> 00:48:39,130
two jobs or without having to have the

1140
00:48:45,450 --> 00:48:41,829
spouse do the work or without getting a

1141
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:45,460
government handout so this is what's

1142
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:47,650
going on we have so much discussion of

1143
00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:49,990
nonsense about somebody's email server

1144
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:52,750
who the heck cares how they did their

1145
00:48:56,259 --> 00:48:54,140
email and

1146
00:48:57,940 --> 00:48:56,269
very little about how to solve the

1147
00:49:00,009 --> 00:48:57,950
problems and there are a lot of problems

1148
00:49:02,799 --> 00:49:00,019
not just here but around the world all

1149
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:02,809
sorts of problems but anything done to

1150
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:07,369
obscure the issue or turn your attention

1151
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,010
away from what's really going on

1152
00:49:14,799 --> 00:49:12,079
hurts everyone of course I also have the

1153
00:49:16,569 --> 00:49:14,809
opinion that in the UFO field there's a

1154
00:49:19,059 --> 00:49:16,579
lot of misdirection we're being made to

1155
00:49:22,029 --> 00:49:19,069
look at things that have little or

1156
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:22,039
nothing to do what the phenomenon is all

1157
00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:24,410
about so the loss of rational and

1158
00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:26,660
focused thinking and being able to

1159
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:27,950
determine what's important and what's

1160
00:49:34,089 --> 00:49:31,160
not absolutely yeah I agree that's one

1161
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,099
of the main real you know sort of

1162
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:36,160
looming barriers towards quality

1163
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,170
research and investigation is you know

1164
00:49:43,269 --> 00:49:40,880
this this willful suspension of

1165
00:49:46,210 --> 00:49:43,279
disbelief I think people are becoming

1166
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:46,220
dumbed down and you know an answer to

1167
00:49:50,769 --> 00:49:48,230
your prior question about do you see

1168
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:50,779
this as as being something that's going

1169
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,140
to become a rare commodity in the future

1170
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,760
in terms of quality on-site

1171
00:49:59,710 --> 00:49:57,440
investigation actually interviewing

1172
00:50:02,049 --> 00:49:59,720
witnesses and do making the phone calls

1173
00:50:03,789 --> 00:50:02,059
doing the legwork I think the people

1174
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:03,799
that are going to continue doing that

1175
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:05,390
will become more and more valuable

1176
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:08,569
because they'll be sticking out you know

1177
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,950
above their heads will be above the

1178
00:50:13,450 --> 00:50:11,839
crowd of course as soon as your head

1179
00:50:15,279 --> 00:50:13,460
goes above the crowd you become a target

1180
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:15,289
and your head can get lopped off so

1181
00:50:21,309 --> 00:50:16,970
there's a downside to that as well

1182
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:21,319
I think there's a lemming sort of going

1183
00:50:28,329 --> 00:50:26,000
over the cliff wave of you know like I

1184
00:50:29,799 --> 00:50:28,339
said suspending of disbelief and and

1185
00:50:34,779 --> 00:50:29,809
just you know true believer isn't

1186
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:34,789
wanting to believe so much in the high

1187
00:50:40,930 --> 00:50:38,240
strange sci-fi fantasy of the subject

1188
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:40,940
matter that it's becoming more and more

1189
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:42,950
difficult to find you know the real

1190
00:50:48,009 --> 00:50:45,410
golden thread of quality research within

1191
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:48,019
within the cacophony that's that's out

1192
00:50:58,269 --> 00:50:49,940
there on the internet and in a lot of

1193
00:51:00,640 --> 00:50:58,279
the TV shows okay Chris real quick based

1194
00:51:03,609 --> 00:51:00,650
on your initial experience have you had

1195
00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:03,619
any additional visitations similar to

1196
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:05,720
that one and would you consider yourself

1197
00:51:11,299 --> 00:51:08,210
then a contact II

1198
00:51:13,249 --> 00:51:11,309
before he answers that we have to do a

1199
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,259
break don't forget to go to plus dr.

1200
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1201
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1203
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:23,190
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1204
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:27,059
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1205
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1206
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1207
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1208
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1212
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1213
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1214
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1215
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1216
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1221
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1222
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1224
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1227
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1228
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1229
00:52:53,819 --> 00:52:50,430
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1230
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:53,829
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1231
00:52:58,980 --> 00:52:56,200
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1232
00:53:00,750 --> 00:52:58,990
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1233
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:00,760
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1234
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,650
world they can freeze your bank accounts

1235
00:53:07,650 --> 00:53:05,200
seize your car home will garnish your

1236
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:07,660
paychecks and benefits don't take on the

1237
00:53:12,359 --> 00:53:10,210
IRS alone I can fight for you using

1238
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:12,369
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1239
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:15,290
IRS I'll conjure penalties to slash

1240
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:17,390
and reduce your overall tax bill

1241
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:19,820
sometimes I could even get it zeroed out

1242
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,930
completely

1243
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:22,880
we're an aggravated company with over 30

1244
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,130
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1245
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:28,160
their mess with the IRS and we have a 95

1246
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:30,380
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1247
00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:32,990
you owe $10,000 or more to the IRS are

1248
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:36,020
facing an audit a lead or levy that call

1249
00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:37,220
me right away

1250
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:39,320
call 802 eight seven seven one eight

1251
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,110
zero again that's 802 eight seven seven

1252
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:44,720
one eight zero 802 eight seven seven one

1253
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:47,210
eight zero 802 eight seven seven one

1254
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,990
[Music]

1255
00:54:04,000 --> 00:53:59,690
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1256
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:04,010
standard of paranormal radio and now

1257
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:13,050
here's Jane Steinberg well okay so this

1258
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:14,370
is gonna be interesting as we all have

1259
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:17,610
beers here and our brains start cracking

1260
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:20,070
up I don't drink sorry about that this

1261
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:21,930
is the turn around is fair play episode

1262
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:24,420
of the power cast where's my moose head

1263
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,960
I don't know well my Uncle Ben's Uncle

1264
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:29,700
Ben didn't he make converted rice or

1265
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:30,210
something

1266
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:32,040
yeah but he made the first malt liquor I

1267
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,930
ever had and junior in high school I

1268
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:36,960
think was awful we drink canadian a time

1269
00:54:39,830 --> 00:54:38,250
I tell you something here you're all

1270
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:39,840
gonna be surprised when I say this I

1271
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:43,740
have never had a glass of beer never

1272
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,240
ever tasted beer an interest never drank

1273
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,760
beer never not once I've never had a cup

1274
00:54:58,850 --> 00:54:56,640
of coffee coffee actually I'm not

1275
00:55:00,440 --> 00:54:58,860
actually drinking beer well I think I'll

1276
00:55:02,450 --> 00:55:00,450
go out for a cup of coffee after this

1277
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:02,460
Chris you were asked a question you want

1278
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:05,070
to pick up on that well you know in

1279
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:06,900
terms of the contact de portion of the

1280
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:08,550
question no I don't consider myself a

1281
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:11,730
contact II in fact all right I'll just

1282
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,310
cut to the chase I have a number of

1283
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:16,200
hours of missing time in the Utah desert

1284
00:55:21,050 --> 00:55:19,710
I was fossil hunting we made camp we

1285
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:21,060
were in our tents something was running

1286
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:22,770
around the outside it sounded like a

1287
00:55:28,550 --> 00:55:25,800
little you know it was definitely on two

1288
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:28,560
feet you could hear going thump thump I

1289
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:31,380
put them around my girlfriend went

1290
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:34,770
ballistic she was freaking out my friend

1291
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:36,930
from Boston he was freaking out too so I

1292
00:55:39,050 --> 00:55:38,490
said look I'll go go out and see what's

1293
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:39,060
going on

1294
00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:41,910
I grabbed my Winchester went out with a

1295
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,860
big mag flashlight looked around didn't

1296
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:45,960
see any tracks didn't see anything out

1297
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:48,150
there and and so I said decided to sit

1298
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:51,390
in the car and it kind of sit guard you

1299
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,110
know if as it were and I saw these you

1300
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:56,640
know there was a moon out so I had a

1301
00:56:00,200 --> 00:55:58,410
little bit of light and now I'm 20 miles

1302
00:56:03,050 --> 00:56:00,210
from the nearest road in the middle of

1303
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:03,060
south central Utah in like another world

1304
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:06,270
the landscape and I see these fleeting

1305
00:56:09,810 --> 00:56:08,500
motions in my my mirrors

1306
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:09,820
like something was running around the

1307
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:11,470
back of the car but trying to hide is

1308
00:56:14,970 --> 00:56:12,760
the only way I can describe it and so I

1309
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:14,980
rolled the window down I just shined the

1310
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,690
light back there and I didn't see

1311
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:19,119
anything so I I just sat look forward

1312
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:20,950
and you know it was seven o'clock in the

1313
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:23,410
morning and my light was still bright

1314
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:25,660
and shining in my hand I have no idea

1315
00:56:30,810 --> 00:56:27,130
what happened for one thirty two o'clock

1316
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:30,820
in the morning till seven go figure

1317
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:33,010
the next day I went to crest stone

1318
00:56:38,490 --> 00:56:34,770
Colorado for the very first time

1319
00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:38,500
coincidentally another time happened I

1320
00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:40,300
was in crest own I think this was the

1321
00:56:45,089 --> 00:56:43,000
ninety four I had the sensation of

1322
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:45,099
something a group of something coming in

1323
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,150
my room

1324
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:48,240
through the wall right next to my bed I

1325
00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:51,010
got chills I've never had this happen

1326
00:56:56,460 --> 00:56:54,550
before since I was whatever it was was

1327
00:56:59,490 --> 00:56:56,470
barely invisible I could almost see

1328
00:57:02,040 --> 00:56:59,500
something shimmering in the dark like

1329
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:02,050
light reflecting off shadows is the only

1330
00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:05,050
way I've been able to describe it I woke

1331
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:07,060
my girlfriend up she felt something but

1332
00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:09,849
she didn't see anything just I finally

1333
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,740
just kind of rolled over and went to

1334
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:13,119
sleep and just don't go away if you're

1335
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:14,530
not of the light leave me alone you know

1336
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:16,180
that that sort of thing just leave me

1337
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:19,270
alone I was not in any mood and found

1338
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:21,180
out two weeks later that my neighbor a

1339
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:24,670
couple hundred feet away she had these

1340
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:26,170
things come to her house that she did

1341
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:28,510
see they were concentrating on her

1342
00:57:34,530 --> 00:57:31,510
little boy she grabbed him she held him

1343
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,540
she she banished them the widow of RD

1344
00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:36,480
Laing by the way the famous sociologist

1345
00:57:43,290 --> 00:57:40,750
the author and he had a little son but

1346
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:43,300
just before he died and she didn't want

1347
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:44,950
to talk to me it was a mutual friend

1348
00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:46,930
that told me about it I kind of worked

1349
00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:48,940
on her and finally she was you know able

1350
00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:50,500
to talk to me about it

1351
00:57:56,820 --> 00:57:53,070
so I'm not sure what the connection is

1352
00:57:58,650 --> 00:57:56,830
between my event and hers they happen

1353
00:58:02,310 --> 00:57:58,660
within the same you know 20 minutes half

1354
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,320
hour maybe the same night and I'm not

1355
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,960
sure about the the Utah experience I

1356
00:58:08,609 --> 00:58:07,119
forgot about the Utah experience until

1357
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:08,619
it's about three or four years later my

1358
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:11,650
brother reminded me of it it kind of

1359
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:13,150
gave me goosebumps I got a hold man I

1360
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,609
forgot about that so you know an answer

1361
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:17,920
to a question about contact no I don't

1362
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:19,270
think I've been contacted I've been

1363
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:21,190
visited maybe definitely my first

1364
00:58:24,569 --> 00:58:22,000
experience

1365
00:58:25,530 --> 00:58:24,579
the other two I you know what can I say

1366
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,540
I don't know it could have been my

1367
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:27,040
imagination all of them you know it

1368
00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:28,650
could have been coincidences and

1369
00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:31,420
imagination I I don't pretend to know I

1370
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:33,640
find it interesting though that these

1371
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:36,609
have done nothing more than keep my

1372
00:58:41,339 --> 00:58:38,890
interest alive and keep me motivated and

1373
00:58:43,859 --> 00:58:41,349
compelled to to do the work and in

1374
00:58:47,069 --> 00:58:43,869
attempt to do it as efficiently and as

1375
00:58:50,099 --> 00:58:47,079
you know as you know with a degree of

1376
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:50,109
integrity and honesty that I feel is

1377
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:51,880
lacking in a lot of work that's being

1378
00:58:58,550 --> 00:58:54,910
done today by others I really attempted

1379
00:59:01,859 --> 00:58:58,560
to be as objective and as accurate and

1380
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:01,869
just Jack Webb cut to the chase the

1381
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:04,450
facts just the facts man I really

1382
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:07,390
attempt to not put spin on things and so

1383
00:59:10,530 --> 00:59:09,640
you know I hope that answers your

1384
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:10,540
question

1385
00:59:16,410 --> 00:59:13,150
it don't follow ups before we go to our

1386
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:16,420
next questioner I just I had a quick

1387
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:18,190
follow-up and you know just to bring up

1388
00:59:21,569 --> 00:59:19,630
something maybe a little controversial

1389
00:59:24,089 --> 00:59:21,579
Chris based on you know what you just

1390
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:24,099
told us have you had with your

1391
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,410
experience of missing time in the in the

1392
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:28,960
Utah desert has there been any point

1393
00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:33,190
where you you considered you know

1394
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:35,800
hypnosis to try and figure out where

1395
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:37,690
what happened if anything during those

1396
00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:40,170
six hours I know that's a controversial

1397
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:43,390
well you know I actually was hypnotized

1398
00:59:48,270 --> 00:59:45,700
when I was 13 my mother took me to the

1399
00:59:50,339 --> 00:59:48,280
first certified hypnotherapist in the

1400
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:50,349
United States dr. Ivar Berlin

1401
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:52,630
his son buzzy Brooklyn was the chief

1402
00:59:57,809 --> 00:59:54,250
orthopedic surgeon for the u.s. Olympic

1403
00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:57,819
ski team and his grandson Bob was on my

1404
01:00:02,400 --> 00:59:59,410
soccer team for years and was one of my

1405
01:00:05,579 --> 01:00:02,410
best friends so she took me from

1406
01:00:08,099 --> 01:00:05,589
motivational and you know I was kind of

1407
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:08,109
a DD or whatever that's called

1408
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:10,450
I was super hyperactive I was really

1409
01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:12,329
bored in class I knew all the answers

1410
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,470
you know I should have been skipped

1411
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:16,480
probably several grades so I was a

1412
01:00:20,579 --> 01:00:18,970
cut-up I wasn't I was acting out and so

1413
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:20,589
she took me there to try to get me to

1414
01:00:24,809 --> 01:00:22,810
focus and motivate and do this hypnotic

1415
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:24,819
suggestions this is way back in the mid

1416
01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:27,760
60's early to mid 60's when I was 13 so

1417
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:32,200
it would have been 57 so I don't know 68

1418
01:00:39,690 --> 01:00:35,710
69 sometime in there so mid to late 60s

1419
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:39,700
and he ran a tape and I remember him

1420
01:00:44,370 --> 01:00:41,650
regressing me back and I don't remember

1421
01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:44,380
anything about the about the session but

1422
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,180
I never went back to him and my mom was

1423
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:48,160
freaked out and I asked to listen to the

1424
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,440
tape and she said no so maybe that was

1425
01:00:58,349 --> 01:00:55,359
kind of an indication of why I've been

1426
01:01:01,260 --> 01:00:58,359
extremely reluctant in fact to the point

1427
01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:01,270
of being proud of it not to be

1428
01:01:07,799 --> 01:01:04,390
hypnotically regressed i-i-i really

1429
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:07,809
prefer to you know kind of deal with

1430
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:09,010
this stuff from my conscious

1431
01:01:16,170 --> 01:01:13,150
recollection i had been offered from

1432
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:16,180
several people in the field to to be

1433
01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:18,790
regressed and I plight politely and

1434
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:21,550
emphatic ly would turn them down no I

1435
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:24,790
don't wish to be hypnotically regressed

1436
01:01:30,030 --> 01:01:27,670
this may change if I meet somebody who's

1437
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:30,040
a hypnotherapist that has absolutely no

1438
01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:32,530
knowledge no interest and no experience

1439
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:35,140
at all in any of these subject matters

1440
01:01:40,260 --> 01:01:36,970
that would be the only person I would

1441
01:01:43,530 --> 01:01:40,270
ever go to in terms of going to Budd

1442
01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:43,540
Hopkins or you know Deborah Linderman or

1443
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:46,540
John Carpenter who whomever well but

1444
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:50,530
Hopkins is gonna be difficult back in

1445
01:01:55,260 --> 01:01:53,530
the day Jane I'm talking you know over

1446
01:01:58,410 --> 01:01:55,270
course the time you know I've had

1447
01:02:01,200 --> 01:01:58,420
opportunities to explore this you know

1448
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:01,210
in a hypnotic fashion which I absolutely

1449
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:03,910
will not right up to this point I will

1450
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:05,530
not do so do you ever have any

1451
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:09,000
compulsions to save the planet

1452
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:13,119
no nothing like that fact my compulsions

1453
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:16,569
is to try to you know do the opposite

1454
01:02:22,890 --> 01:02:19,270
try to try to you know be part of some

1455
01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:22,900
sort of kind of cool sort of anarchists

1456
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:25,180
you know metaphysical anarchists you

1457
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:28,329
know try to mess with people in a

1458
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:31,210
positive way you know I don't want to

1459
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:33,670
get myself in trouble here but no I have

1460
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:36,880
no compulsion to do any of that

1461
01:02:42,990 --> 01:02:38,710
that leads me to another real quick

1462
01:02:45,299 --> 01:02:43,000
question gray Barker was the and was the

1463
01:02:48,990 --> 01:02:45,309
clown of ufology back then and he always

1464
01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:49,000
put a funny little spin on research and

1465
01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:49,480
he always call

1466
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:51,160
people who were too serious about it and

1467
01:02:57,150 --> 01:02:54,130
things like that when when you look at

1468
01:02:59,490 --> 01:02:57,160
today's environment in in UFO research

1469
01:03:01,620 --> 01:02:59,500
you really don't see anybody like Ray

1470
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:01,630
Barker who is just kind of poking fun of

1471
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:05,050
people and and I contradict me here if

1472
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:07,000
you want to but do you think that we

1473
01:03:11,609 --> 01:03:09,250
really need somebody who not necessarily

1474
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:11,619
is out there doing hoaxes just to get

1475
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:13,990
people to believe in something that they

1476
01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:18,180
think stand up routine for years

1477
01:03:24,510 --> 01:03:20,380
absolutely I think it's important I mean

1478
01:03:26,220 --> 01:03:24,520
I've been willing to maybe kind of drift

1479
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:26,230
in that direction at least one part of

1480
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:28,510
my persona for years but nobody's taking

1481
01:03:32,820 --> 01:03:30,490
me up on it well you know what maybe we

1482
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should do one show here where Chris does

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01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:35,380
a routine the sooner listeners react

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heard that one before yes I think we're

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that is funny or tragic I choose not to

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say which well the fact that the subject

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01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:56,549
you're all jumping the shark and jumping

1609
01:08:59,920 --> 01:08:58,650
the shark shark or nuking the fridge

1610
01:09:01,789 --> 01:08:59,930
that's what it's called these days

1611
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,799
Randle it's your turn

1612
01:09:08,059 --> 01:09:04,080
kinda hard to follow that one huh I

1613
01:09:11,209 --> 01:09:08,069
don't want to Randle yes we're back on

1614
01:09:14,809 --> 01:09:11,219
the show now we've been back on dude the

1615
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:14,819
whole time welcome to the para cast okay

1616
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:17,430
then this has been a real treat I've

1617
01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:20,040
been doing a lot of listening so it's

1618
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:22,259
well now it's your time to during the

1619
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:25,560
song I'm still listening to everybody

1620
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:27,690
else do their thing because it's been so

1621
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:28,170
great

1622
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:32,040
I'd really like to to ask a completely

1623
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:33,540
different kind of questions to instead

1624
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:35,890
of finding out what I want to know

1625
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:37,510
Gina and Chrissy are both a wealth of

1626
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:39,100
information and experience and what I'd

1627
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:40,960
really like to know the most is what is

1628
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:43,150
the stuff in particular that you feel

1629
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:46,150
you just never get to discuss enough

1630
01:09:50,940 --> 01:09:48,370
because you guys are always busy with

1631
01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:50,950
other people about what their thing is

1632
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:54,070
again what was your chance to really get

1633
01:10:00,000 --> 01:09:56,710
that out there what it is that you guys

1634
01:10:02,060 --> 01:10:00,010
are such lists for all right so so I

1635
01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:02,070
mean that was fantastic that bit there

1636
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:04,840
Chris with your your experience that's

1637
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:07,210
such a fantastic summary I don't know if

1638
01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:09,940
we can top that or not but what's your

1639
01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:13,630
guys's thing well I mean you want me to

1640
01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:15,460
take that Gina you want it now you go

1641
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:19,380
well you know I've been devouring every

1642
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:22,960
audio recording I can find of Terence

1643
01:10:26,820 --> 01:10:24,430
Mckenna I've listened to hundreds and

1644
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:26,830
hundreds and hundreds of presentations

1645
01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:30,450
and I've been particularly interested in

1646
01:10:37,710 --> 01:10:35,190
his theories that you know

1647
01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:37,720
hallucinogenic or help whatever howís

1648
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:41,470
intogen derived experiences have

1649
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:44,170
tremendous parallels all over the

1650
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:47,340
paranormal and the whole idea of

1651
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:50,290
synchronicity altered states of

1652
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,210
consciousness and parallels with age-old

1653
01:11:00,030 --> 01:10:56,560
traditions of paranormal experience

1654
01:11:02,730 --> 01:11:00,040
whether it be elementals ghosts you know

1655
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:02,740
you could go down the line of of subject

1656
01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:05,230
headings I think that there's there

1657
01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:09,580
hasn't been enough really good research

1658
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:12,820
that has followed up some of these you

1659
01:11:18,450 --> 01:11:14,950
know just what ifs that McKenna and

1660
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:18,460
others actually have a venture to

1661
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:20,710
mention over the years I I don't think

1662
01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:22,690
anyone has really taken up the baton and

1663
01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:27,640
moved the subject of altered states of

1664
01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:31,270
consciousness and the onset or the

1665
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,540
experience of what people call

1666
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:36,880
paranormal events in fact I think the

1667
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:38,590
opposite has occurred I think if people

1668
01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:42,010
are under the influence of anything then

1669
01:11:49,409 --> 01:11:46,990
they're automatically dismissed and I

1670
01:11:51,959 --> 01:11:49,419
you know I think that there should be

1671
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:51,969
some sort of study done with

1672
01:11:57,299 --> 01:11:55,449
experiencers in a hotspot area during a

1673
01:11:58,830 --> 01:11:57,309
sighting way for instance or at a

1674
01:12:01,139 --> 01:11:58,840
haunted site that should be under the

1675
01:12:04,979 --> 01:12:01,149
influence of DMT or you know

1676
01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:04,989
dimethyltryptamine or psilocybin or some

1677
01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:09,340
sort of psychoactive substance and then

1678
01:12:14,819 --> 01:12:12,070
have control participants that aren't

1679
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:14,829
and then start comparing notes because I

1680
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:16,570
think that there's the this is one of

1681
01:12:20,370 --> 01:12:18,729
those real hidden areas they could

1682
01:12:23,939 --> 01:12:20,380
probably connecting areas that could

1683
01:12:25,739 --> 01:12:23,949
possibly be provide us with some new

1684
01:12:27,899 --> 01:12:25,749
insights I know Greg Bishop is really

1685
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:27,909
into this as well and I've noticed on

1686
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:29,530
the on the para cast forum there's been

1687
01:12:37,739 --> 01:12:35,110
some some talk about a cult sort of

1688
01:12:40,049 --> 01:12:37,749
ritual type activity and I think that

1689
01:12:44,370 --> 01:12:40,059
that you could even include you know

1690
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:44,380
intentional ritual behavior in in this

1691
01:12:48,959 --> 01:12:46,449
particular equation as well if not

1692
01:12:52,679 --> 01:12:48,969
together all three you know normal

1693
01:12:55,139 --> 01:12:52,689
control participation psycho active

1694
01:12:57,659 --> 01:12:55,149
participation and a cult participation I

1695
01:13:00,330 --> 01:12:57,669
mean they could be all three or you

1696
01:13:03,029 --> 01:13:00,340
could have control and a cult separate

1697
01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:03,039
or house antigens used along with

1698
01:13:08,489 --> 01:13:05,860
control individuals to monitor as well

1699
01:13:10,919 --> 01:13:08,499
this is an area that is completely

1700
01:13:13,919 --> 01:13:10,929
untouched it's completely untapped

1701
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:13,929
there's a taboo even within the research

1702
01:13:18,089 --> 01:13:15,780
community who's open for these

1703
01:13:20,759 --> 01:13:18,099
paranormal subjects there's an absolute

1704
01:13:23,759 --> 01:13:20,769
- boo - - you know mix any of these

1705
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:23,769
other elements into the equation

1706
01:13:28,799 --> 01:13:26,110
I hope I'm still on in my salon you're

1707
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:28,809
still on okay I don't want to go on and

1708
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:31,689
on again that was a really that was a

1709
01:13:36,509 --> 01:13:33,550
really good explanation about something

1710
01:13:38,879 --> 01:13:36,519
that from the forums you know you and I

1711
01:13:40,979 --> 01:13:38,889
have gone back and forth in in in a sort

1712
01:13:43,379 --> 01:13:40,989
of a debate kind of fashion and that's

1713
01:13:46,379 --> 01:13:43,389
why I brought it up and with you you

1714
01:13:48,469 --> 01:13:46,389
know and it is very controversial and

1715
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,479
it's it's good to know that you

1716
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:51,280
recognize how controversial that could

1717
01:13:57,209 --> 01:13:54,369
be and and are prepared to try and take

1718
01:14:00,089 --> 01:13:57,219
some steps to explore it while at the

1719
01:14:02,129 --> 01:14:00,099
same time keeping some reasonable

1720
01:14:02,910 --> 01:14:02,139
rational controls over it at the same

1721
01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:02,920
time

1722
01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:05,020
that's the only way to be done and make

1723
01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:07,000
any headway have anybody believe any

1724
01:14:10,380 --> 01:14:08,740
sort of results is if you have other

1725
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:10,390
people there going I wasn't tripping and

1726
01:14:15,330 --> 01:14:13,750
boy I saw it too you know the wheels

1727
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:15,340
broke I've been saying this I sound like

1728
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:17,110
a broken record no I haven't been saying

1729
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:18,730
it as much lately but for years I've

1730
01:14:21,660 --> 01:14:20,260
been saying we've got to come up with

1731
01:14:22,860 --> 01:14:21,670
new approaches we've got to come up with

1732
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:22,870
creative thinking we have to come up

1733
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:24,610
with out-of-the-box ways to approach

1734
01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:27,430
this this is one area that I am

1735
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:30,760
convinced could bear fruit and not

1736
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:34,800
apples gene that notes there we've got

1737
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:37,450
there was a documentary actually I've

1738
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:39,040
watched a couple of times I think you

1739
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:40,690
can pick it up now on YouTube it's

1740
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:43,600
called the spirit molecule yes Ernest

1741
01:14:47,940 --> 01:14:46,150
Osmond material and didn't sorry if you

1742
01:14:50,430 --> 01:14:47,950
haven't watched that that really makes

1743
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,440
your case as well for you there's a lot

1744
01:14:53,970 --> 01:14:52,960
of really deep thinkers in there who

1745
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:53,980
tends you know we should have Rick

1746
01:14:58,230 --> 01:14:56,260
Strassman on the show that's somebody

1747
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,240
that I really would like to talk to you

1748
01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:00,400
know I have seen the documentary I've

1749
01:15:05,970 --> 01:15:04,030
read the book and I really sorry go

1750
01:15:07,980 --> 01:15:05,980
ahead yeah sure I think that would be a

1751
01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:07,990
fantastic idea you guys should consider

1752
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:10,630
doing that yeah and I think you know the

1753
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:13,690
whole occult potential occult angle I

1754
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:16,510
mean people forget that Aleister Crowley

1755
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:20,530
you know in 1919 he summoned what could

1756
01:15:24,510 --> 01:15:22,930
be our first you know alien gray at

1757
01:15:26,370 --> 01:15:24,520
least a you know an artistic

1758
01:15:29,790 --> 01:15:26,380
representation that he made of the the

1759
01:15:32,130 --> 01:15:29,800
being you know in 1919 this was done

1760
01:15:34,290 --> 01:15:32,140
with an extremely arduous I think

1761
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:34,300
several month long ritual the elemental

1762
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:36,850
working which he did in New York and I

1763
01:15:43,290 --> 01:15:39,910
think he manifested lamb with an I think

1764
01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:43,300
the egg egg magic out on Montauk of all

1765
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:46,060
places interestingly enough so you know

1766
01:15:51,570 --> 01:15:49,690
there's elements within the subject

1767
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:51,580
matter that I think have connecting

1768
01:15:58,440 --> 01:15:55,920
points with potential occult

1769
01:16:00,180 --> 01:15:58,450
participation or involvement with

1770
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:00,190
control involvement obviously all this

1771
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,770
stuff has to have control in terms of

1772
01:16:06,210 --> 01:16:04,480
people that are not doing ritual people

1773
01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:06,220
that are observers people that are

1774
01:16:11,820 --> 01:16:08,260
monitoring the experience people that

1775
01:16:14,370 --> 01:16:11,830
are psycho actively inspired if you will

1776
01:16:15,989 --> 01:16:14,380
or psycho actively enhanced in their

1777
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:15,999
perceptions

1778
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:19,510
let's do a psycho active enhance right

1779
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:22,650
now from our benefactors okay all right

1780
01:16:27,870 --> 01:16:24,550
turnaround is fair play

1781
01:16:31,969 --> 01:16:27,880
on the show with Gina and Chris and a

1782
01:16:41,890 --> 01:16:31,979
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social media or other sources can

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jeopardize your reputation your business

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and your livelihood let reputation.com

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pushing down unwanted negative content

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reputation.com

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1885
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consultation that's eight hundred eight

1886
01:20:57,140 --> 01:20:54,410
hi this is James Fox from chasing UFOs

1887
01:21:03,320 --> 01:20:57,150
you're listening to the parrot at the

1888
01:21:06,230 --> 01:21:03,330
gold standard of paranormal radio we

1889
01:21:08,180 --> 01:21:06,240
have ufology better known as Randall or

1890
01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:08,190
whatever you choose to call him we've

1891
01:21:12,350 --> 01:21:10,140
got someone named Robert who is known as

1892
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:12,360
burnt State in our forums we have Jeff

1893
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:14,610
Crowell we have Chris Johnson and

1894
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:16,650
there's been a back-and-forth here

1895
01:21:21,890 --> 01:21:19,110
between Chris and Randall shall we

1896
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:21,900
continue that or shall we move on go

1897
01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:23,730
ahead Randall you know what what other

1898
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:26,580
questions or points want to look at here

1899
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:29,610
that one I think we could go into some

1900
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:31,410
more but I did have a couple of other

1901
01:21:36,110 --> 01:21:34,710
ones there and hey you're the host man I

1902
01:21:38,660 --> 01:21:36,120
think they're kind of related to that

1903
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:38,670
and it takes a while for me to put my

1904
01:21:42,980 --> 01:21:40,440
questions together so if you can sort of

1905
01:21:46,340 --> 01:21:42,990
bear with me some of them aren't quite

1906
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:46,350
as short as they they should be but let

1907
01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:48,570
me ask because of your experiences and

1908
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:50,580
follow-up investigations your worldview

1909
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:54,000
as far as what the true state of affairs

1910
01:21:59,060 --> 01:21:56,130
is regarding the reality of the

1911
01:22:00,200 --> 01:21:59,070
phenomena it's so much fuller that

1912
01:22:02,630 --> 01:22:00,210
there's a whole other layer of

1913
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:02,640
understanding there in a sense

1914
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:04,290
exteriores might be thought of as a

1915
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,570
segment of society that is its own

1916
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:09,360
family with its wonderful and sometimes

1917
01:22:13,820 --> 01:22:12,000
dysfunctional aspects to it is there any

1918
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:13,830
way to bring the rest of the world who

1919
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:15,690
don't share that worldview into that

1920
01:22:20,210 --> 01:22:18,840
family or can it only ever be done by

1921
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:20,220
them having their own personal

1922
01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:22,110
experience yeah it's a really good

1923
01:22:28,730 --> 01:22:26,190
question you know I think it's you know

1924
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:28,740
like anything in life were attracted to

1925
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,450
good packaging you know I mean

1926
01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:32,880
especially in America or even Canada if

1927
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:34,590
it has you know bright and jazzy

1928
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,600
packaging if the movie has a great

1929
01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:39,120
poster or a good trailer people tend to

1930
01:22:43,460 --> 01:22:41,550
be attracted to that so if we could come

1931
01:22:47,150 --> 01:22:43,470
up with a with a you know a really

1932
01:22:49,670 --> 01:22:47,160
alluring sort of lead-in to a subject

1933
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:49,680
matter that maybe become quickly very

1934
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:53,580
dense and and require you know some some

1935
01:22:59,300 --> 01:22:57,330
serious thinking on the part of the

1936
01:23:00,380 --> 01:22:59,310
American or Canadian pubic as I like to

1937
01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:00,390
refer to them because that's basically

1938
01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:03,660
what they think where this genitalia if

1939
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:04,620
you could come up

1940
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:07,380
the way to you know like a honey trap to

1941
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:10,290
trap interest then that would be the

1942
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:11,880
only way because the only other way to

1943
01:23:15,710 --> 01:23:13,650
do it is to get people that are truly

1944
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:15,720
interested in the subject matter to do

1945
01:23:21,140 --> 01:23:17,850
the necessary type of research and heavy

1946
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:21,150
lifting of bringing themselves up to

1947
01:23:27,740 --> 01:23:25,650
speed in a you know in a very shall we

1948
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:27,750
say a valid manner because there's a lot

1949
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:30,300
of crap out there as we all know if they

1950
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:32,670
had the the wherewithal the time and the

1951
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:34,290
inclination to bring themselves up to

1952
01:23:39,020 --> 01:23:36,840
speed that would be the ideal but you

1953
01:23:40,930 --> 01:23:39,030
have to trick them otherwise so if

1954
01:23:44,180 --> 01:23:40,940
there's a way to trick people into a

1955
01:23:47,300 --> 01:23:44,190
nuts-and-bolts sort of you know sort of

1956
01:23:49,220 --> 01:23:47,310
introductory way to break down people's

1957
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:49,230
preconceptions and then instantly give

1958
01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:51,540
them you know a list of alternatives

1959
01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:53,100
that's the only way that you're gonna be

1960
01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:54,840
able to do it in my my view how about

1961
01:24:00,020 --> 01:23:58,170
Eugene what do you think oh boy but he

1962
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:00,030
said I don't want to repeat everything

1963
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:02,580
you said I agree with it let's just

1964
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:05,820
leave it there is so much to cover but

1965
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:07,890
I'd be extremely worried if you actually

1966
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:10,290
had to experience this thing to

1967
01:24:15,980 --> 01:24:12,510
understand it and some people say that

1968
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:15,990
but I just hope it's not true I don't

1969
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,360
want to take any more time well there I

1970
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:21,360
think we might want to in light of the

1971
01:24:26,860 --> 01:24:23,370
idea that we might want to draw people

1972
01:24:30,230 --> 01:24:26,870
in with some sort of entertaining

1973
01:24:33,230 --> 01:24:30,240
package and to use your phrase trick

1974
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:33,240
them in you're the author of several

1975
01:24:37,490 --> 01:24:36,090
books very good books by the way and for

1976
01:24:39,620 --> 01:24:37,500
those who are thinking of getting into

1977
01:24:40,820 --> 01:24:39,630
the para cast plus I own a couple of

1978
01:24:44,030 --> 01:24:40,830
those books and they're very well

1979
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:44,040
written fabulous books one of them

1980
01:24:49,220 --> 01:24:47,340
stalking the tricksters now that concept

1981
01:24:52,820 --> 01:24:49,230
should we the thread through all the

1982
01:24:55,370 --> 01:24:52,830
stuff you've done and can you articulate

1983
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:55,380
that in any way for us well you know

1984
01:25:00,440 --> 01:24:57,450
I've mentioned a number of times the the

1985
01:25:03,170 --> 01:25:00,450
you know early on actually the very

1986
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,180
first ranch I visited to investigate a

1987
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:05,280
cattle mutilation which had occurred

1988
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:06,810
thirteen years before I went out there I

1989
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:08,760
had this yellow helicopter fly over the

1990
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:12,510
ranch in in the original event 1980 it

1991
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:13,440
was an antique

1992
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:16,560
you know you 47 you know whirlybird

1993
01:25:19,729 --> 01:25:17,249
helicopter

1994
01:25:21,620 --> 01:25:19,739
mustard-yellow no markings flew 50 feet

1995
01:25:23,209 --> 01:25:21,630
over the ranch house the whole family

1996
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:23,219
saw it they found their bull mutilated

1997
01:25:27,529 --> 01:25:24,840
where they've flown out of the out of

1998
01:25:29,569 --> 01:25:27,539
the past year they assumed it had flown

1999
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:29,579
out of the pasture I'm interviewing them

2000
01:25:33,020 --> 01:25:31,650
13 years later and the following morning

2001
01:25:36,919 --> 01:25:33,030
when I'm typing up my notes I have an

2002
01:25:38,989 --> 01:25:36,929
antique yellow u47 fly over my house it

2003
01:25:42,739 --> 01:25:38,999
was a little higher it was probably

2004
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:42,749
maybe 700 maybe a thousand feet up but

2005
01:25:47,839 --> 01:25:45,210
it was unmistakable that to me changed

2006
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:47,849
completely any sort of preconceived

2007
01:25:52,580 --> 01:25:50,760
reality of you I had concerning anything

2008
01:25:54,259 --> 01:25:52,590
about the paranormal I mean that really

2009
01:25:55,819 --> 01:25:54,269
rocked my world and there was no

2010
01:25:58,969 --> 01:25:55,829
question in my mind that we are dealing

2011
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,979
with some sort of coordinated trickster

2012
01:26:04,759 --> 01:26:01,920
ISM whether it's by coincidence

2013
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:04,769
synchronicity or whether by design at

2014
01:26:10,879 --> 01:26:07,199
the time I had no clue all I knew was

2015
01:26:13,879 --> 01:26:10,889
this was way more complex and way more

2016
01:26:15,739 --> 01:26:13,889
convoluted than simple ETS coming from

2017
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:15,749
other planets to emulate our cows and

2018
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:18,570
freak out our daughters you know make us

2019
01:26:25,609 --> 01:26:21,840
become investors in preparation-h or

2020
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:25,619
something you know it's just really way

2021
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:28,409
more complex and there seems to be this

2022
01:26:36,979 --> 01:26:34,110
veneer or thread of absurdity trickster

2023
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:36,989
ISM incongruity whatever you want to

2024
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:39,210
call it they're all these experiences

2025
01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:42,719
have this weird element this nonsensical

2026
01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:44,820
element I don't know how many times I

2027
01:26:48,739 --> 01:26:47,249
would go out in interview people about a

2028
01:26:51,140 --> 01:26:48,749
particular case and then months later

2029
01:26:53,629 --> 01:26:51,150
even years later they come back and say

2030
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:53,639
you know when I had this experience and

2031
01:26:57,049 --> 01:26:55,380
I told you about it there's something I

2032
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:57,059
left out but I think you'll appreciate

2033
01:27:00,200 --> 01:26:59,010
it now and then they'll tell me

2034
01:27:02,180 --> 01:27:00,210
something that if they had told me

2035
01:27:05,959 --> 01:27:02,190
originally I would have discounted the

2036
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:05,969
whole thing as being you know balmy and

2037
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,030
just totally you know boy you had a good

2038
01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:10,800
time last night what were you taking was

2039
01:27:15,739 --> 01:27:13,800
you have any left you know I mean really

2040
01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:15,749
I heard some you know I can't give you

2041
01:27:20,089 --> 01:27:17,820
any examples right now but I have a

2042
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:20,099
number of them of experiences where

2043
01:27:26,569 --> 01:27:23,340
people would have this this total just

2044
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:26,579
out of the blue left field unbelievable

2045
01:27:31,009 --> 01:27:30,690
element to it that it would have totally

2046
01:27:32,449 --> 01:27:31,019
made me

2047
01:27:34,459 --> 01:27:32,459
look at them in a completely different

2048
01:27:36,679 --> 01:27:34,469
light yes they that may be the most

2049
01:27:38,419 --> 01:27:36,689
important aspect of the case and it's

2050
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:38,429
the least likely thing that they will

2051
01:27:42,529 --> 01:27:41,010
report to an investigator for instance

2052
01:27:43,879 --> 01:27:42,539
in the CAD Emile Asian phenomenon the

2053
01:27:46,250 --> 01:27:43,889
highest range the case the more

2054
01:27:49,369 --> 01:27:46,260
unbelievable it is the less likely it

2055
01:27:53,449 --> 01:27:49,379
will be reported if I sum that all up

2056
01:27:56,750 --> 01:27:53,459
then that if we were to look at a single

2057
01:27:59,119 --> 01:27:56,760
strand of the trickster phenomena it

2058
01:28:01,819 --> 01:27:59,129
would manifest itself in the higher

2059
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:01,829
strange aspects of the different reports

2060
01:28:05,809 --> 01:28:04,289
and cases that you've investigated over

2061
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:05,819
the years yeah absolutely

2062
01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:08,489
yeah yeah it's the it's the total head

2063
01:28:16,129 --> 01:28:13,289
scratch and what you know WTF it's those

2064
01:28:18,799 --> 01:28:16,139
elements that are the most interesting

2065
01:28:21,169 --> 01:28:18,809
to me and I think have the most fertile

2066
01:28:24,289 --> 01:28:21,179
grounds for moving this whole you know

2067
01:28:26,179 --> 01:28:24,299
shooting match forward let me throw

2068
01:28:29,419 --> 01:28:26,189
something in here you see this is where

2069
01:28:32,389 --> 01:28:29,429
I think UFO research has been a colossal

2070
01:28:34,339 --> 01:28:32,399
failure and the reason is because most

2071
01:28:35,629 --> 01:28:34,349
of the people investigating where they

2072
01:28:37,729 --> 01:28:35,639
are investigating I'm not just

2073
01:28:40,549 --> 01:28:37,739
collecting sightings and sticking them

2074
01:28:43,849 --> 01:28:40,559
on a portable hard drive or something I

2075
01:28:45,829 --> 01:28:43,859
mean really investigating and that is

2076
01:28:46,609 --> 01:28:45,839
they are not considering the entire

2077
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,619
picture

2078
01:28:51,019 --> 01:28:48,719
they've got tunnel vision they're

2079
01:28:52,699 --> 01:28:51,029
looking for spaceships even if they say

2080
01:28:54,919 --> 01:28:52,709
well we don't know what UFOs are and

2081
01:28:57,049 --> 01:28:54,929
maybe spaceships are the answer I think

2082
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,059
the problem here is we have to get back

2083
01:29:03,049 --> 01:29:00,239
to say some weird stuff is going on what

2084
01:29:04,669 --> 01:29:03,059
might cause it I've had this argument by

2085
01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:04,679
the way with Randall from time to time I

2086
01:29:09,549 --> 01:29:06,209
don't want to really get back into it

2087
01:29:13,219 --> 01:29:09,559
but I think we need to get back to

2088
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:13,229
actually looking into more possibilities

2089
01:29:18,679 --> 01:29:16,649
than that one because we have a world

2090
01:29:22,609 --> 01:29:18,689
now where when you talk about somebody

2091
01:29:26,659 --> 01:29:22,619
interested in UFOs they are et believers

2092
01:29:28,609 --> 01:29:26,669
and this goes on and on and it doesn't

2093
01:29:31,339 --> 01:29:28,619
really solve anything all it does is it

2094
01:29:33,409 --> 01:29:31,349
prejudges the conclusion yeah I may be a

2095
01:29:36,109 --> 01:29:33,419
medium that's where it is maybe each he

2096
01:29:39,139 --> 01:29:36,119
is here you're descended from et I don't

2097
01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:39,149
know but I think that is the wrong tack

2098
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:42,179
to take okay now do I have time to

2099
01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:44,970
interject there or are we

2100
01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:47,460
to break we're very close to a break

2101
01:29:52,130 --> 01:29:50,580
let's just we did a break and then I'll

2102
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:52,140
bring you back on the other side okay

2103
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:55,050
don't get all right I would also like

2104
01:29:59,630 --> 01:29:57,780
and after we do this to look at some

2105
01:30:03,800 --> 01:29:59,640
questions from the question Bank and

2106
01:30:06,440 --> 01:30:03,810
maybe ask a few in our remaining five

2107
01:30:08,990 --> 01:30:06,450
segments okay this is turn around this

2108
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:09,000
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2109
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radio oh I came out of left field I

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think he was possessed burn state has

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haven't figured out by what I'd like to

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smoke it because it sounds like a really

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with Jeana and Chris Randall please

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continue yeah really glad to be back

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yeah on this show I'm I'm certainly not

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here to try and you know defend my

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position we've had a number of debates

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about different things on the forums

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most people can find it there and that's

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for another show with if you guys were

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going to be interviewing me and I think

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your position is really fair on one

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level and it brings up an aspect of

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skepticism maybe I can ask you what you

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think about this we all know that the

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topics covered by the pear caster

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controversial and it seems that

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satisfying the skeptics is a driving

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factor that someone ironically helps to

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keep subject alive and the discussion

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the interesting at the same time by

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making the satisfaction of skeptics and

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scientists a priority do you think we

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might lose hold sight of the donut you

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know our sight of what the real subject

2255
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matter is supposed to be about is there

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a point when it becomes detrimental to

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constantly being on the focus to satisfy

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the skeptic we're not here to satisfy

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anyone except ourselves alright we're

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not just saying something that takes a

2261
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skeptical approach because we're trying

2262
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to satisfy somebody who's a skeptic just

2263
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want to get to the truth you know in I

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don't care if you're a true believer

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you're a skeptic we're gonna ask

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questions to try to ascertain as much

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information for our audience and

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ourselves to make an accurate

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determination

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the validity or the importance of a

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particular claim or subject or whatever

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it is we are objective we're journalists

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we want all the facts and we want them

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to be placed in a forum that allows for

2275
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an intelligent you know decision by our

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audience of accepting or rejecting the

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data if there even is data well one of

2278
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the methods for which we're people used

2279
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to do that is to have a skeptical debate

2280
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often to sift out the signal from the

2281
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noise so to speak but do you think

2282
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sometimes our search for the truth gets

2283
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lost in that process no I think it gets

2284
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lost in abdicating our sense of

2285
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disbelief you know and becoming

2286
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accepting of all this information no

2287
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matter how you know I mean you've got to

2288
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draw a line somewhere are you going to

2289
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believer or use somebody objective that

2290
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really wants to get to the to the answer

2291
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and if there isn't a single answer at

2292
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least you want to get all the facts so

2293
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that you can make a determination for

2294
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your own self that's based on accurate

2295
01:38:04,770 --> 01:38:03,400
information not wanting to believe so if

2296
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I can interject here and I know it's not

2297
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my turn I apologize but that's okay

2298
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:09,130
that's okay don't worry about it this is

2299
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:10,330
one of the things that does kind of bug

2300
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me because it doesn't seem like we have

2301
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any investigators in the field today who

2302
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are actively and accurately and

2303
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scientifically researching the field

2304
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okay we've got on one hand we've got the

2305
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religious people okay we've got the

2306
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people who believe that aliens are

2307
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coming here and it's a religious

2308
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experience and you know what I'm a

2309
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:33,070
skeptical person but I don't fault them

2310
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:34,330
for that if they want to have a

2311
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:36,490
religious belief about it fine but that

2312
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has no place in a scientific oriented

2313
01:38:46,140 --> 01:38:43,360
and based research of what this

2314
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phenomena is and when it's occurring how

2315
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it's occurring who is occurring to and

2316
01:38:52,350 --> 01:38:49,000
so on and so forth okay it's kind of

2317
01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:52,360
like evolutionary perspective and

2318
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creationism

2319
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anything to do with science it's not

2320
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scientifically valid like evolution is I

2321
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:02,200
don't want to get into that but my point

2322
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being is you've got two sides of the

2323
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coin and never the twain should meet but

2324
01:39:12,450 --> 01:39:08,800
we're not seeing anybody really in the

2325
01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:12,460
these days who are looking at valid

2326
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cases say within I mean correct me if

2327
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I'm wrong because I hope I am valid

2328
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:18,520
cases that have occurred within the last

2329
01:39:23,310 --> 01:39:21,489
5 years let's say okay I mean the most

2330
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:23,320
recent case that has really been picked

2331
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:25,090
apart has either been the the Chicago

2332
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:30,000
case or Rendlesham okay and one's 1980

2333
01:39:35,459 --> 01:39:32,650
the Puerto Rican Homeland Security FLIR

2334
01:39:38,189 --> 01:39:35,469
footage is the current one that's very

2335
01:39:40,589 --> 01:39:38,199
intriguing so there are exceptions yeah

2336
01:39:42,020 --> 01:39:40,599
and and you know there's that and then

2337
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:42,030
there's I think there's the homegrown

2338
01:39:47,220 --> 01:39:45,520
sort of like the UFO flaps and in

2339
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wherever you know someplace in the

2340
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country where we can really send three

2341
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or four quality investigators to

2342
01:39:58,020 --> 01:39:54,520
interview witnesses gather data look for

2343
01:40:00,660 --> 01:39:58,030
trace evidence and and really validate

2344
01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:00,670
the field and bring it current as

2345
01:40:08,010 --> 01:40:04,780
opposed to the Roswell slides okay or

2346
01:40:11,399 --> 01:40:08,020
some other distraction that throws us

2347
01:40:12,990 --> 01:40:11,409
back to 1947 I I want to live in the

2348
01:40:15,899 --> 01:40:13,000
here and now and I want to see that I

2349
01:40:18,419 --> 01:40:15,909
know that people are still experiencing

2350
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:18,429
this phenomenon but nobody's looking at

2351
01:40:23,250 --> 01:40:21,040
it seriously either within the genuine

2352
01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:23,260
scientific community or in the amateur

2353
01:40:27,060 --> 01:40:25,420
scientific community and that that to me

2354
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,070
is one of the most frustrating elements

2355
01:40:31,649 --> 01:40:29,199
yeah :

2356
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:31,659
and I disagree sure you're allowed we

2357
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:33,610
have you have to pay through the piper

2358
01:40:38,490 --> 01:40:36,550
you have to pay the disagree fee so

2359
01:40:39,959 --> 01:40:38,500
someone's going to collect that and then

2360
01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:39,969
you can go ahead well I was just

2361
01:40:43,709 --> 01:40:41,800
thinking that you know looking at the

2362
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:43,719
guy pan conference that took place in

2363
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:46,090
2014 what seems to me that's happening

2364
01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:47,679
inside of ufology that's unique is that

2365
01:40:53,069 --> 01:40:50,860
the serious science it is is is removed

2366
01:40:55,379 --> 01:40:53,079
itself from the public discussion it's

2367
01:40:57,330 --> 01:40:55,389
not participating in in these other

2368
01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:57,340
areas where people are looking at the

2369
01:40:59,939 --> 01:40:58,840
crap or or they're inventing science for

2370
01:41:01,890 --> 01:40:59,949
themselves which is I think what the

2371
01:41:03,810 --> 01:41:01,900
puerto rico video is i think the serious

2372
01:41:05,310 --> 01:41:03,820
science actually is taking place they're

2373
01:41:07,020 --> 01:41:05,320
keeping it to themselves it's a very

2374
01:41:08,430 --> 01:41:07,030
select crowd that's invited it is

2375
01:41:10,350 --> 01:41:08,440
happening at upper levels governments

2376
01:41:12,569 --> 01:41:10,360
are participating you know the French

2377
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:12,579
academies are participating and that's

2378
01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:14,530
so I think that actually is going on but

2379
01:41:17,250 --> 01:41:16,150
it's just a very removed event and it's

2380
01:41:18,510 --> 01:41:17,260
something that small people are not

2381
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:18,520
going to participate in I guess you're

2382
01:41:22,020 --> 01:41:20,530
lucky if you get invited to those kind

2383
01:41:22,590 --> 01:41:22,030
of conferences to see those things but I

2384
01:41:25,050 --> 01:41:22,600
think it's been

2385
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:25,060
calculated move to extract itself from

2386
01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:27,010
the mainstream discussion in order to

2387
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:28,660
actually get some serious investigation

2388
01:41:32,670 --> 01:41:30,730
done without being distracted by by

2389
01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:32,680
meaningless or trade events are the

2390
01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:35,260
problem with a lot of these UFO events

2391
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:37,030
and this is not saying they aren't

2392
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:39,610
interesting they aren't fascinating and

2393
01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:42,880
quite often entertaining is that to a

2394
01:41:49,050 --> 01:41:45,790
large extent they are done to validate

2395
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:49,060
what people already believe Oh get

2396
01:41:53,850 --> 01:41:50,890
together and meet fellow travelers that

2397
01:41:55,530 --> 01:41:53,860
sort of thing you have both things going

2398
01:41:58,800 --> 01:41:55,540
on you have I think a concerted

2399
01:42:02,630 --> 01:41:58,810
behind-the-scenes high-level process

2400
01:42:05,610 --> 01:42:02,640
going on which has for obvious reasons

2401
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:05,620
separated itself from the great unwashed

2402
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:08,050
masses and their interest understandably

2403
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:11,410
so but you do have some quality private

2404
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:13,930
research that is going on it's becoming

2405
01:42:17,340 --> 01:42:16,000
pretty rare but there are some

2406
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:17,350
individuals out there that are

2407
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:19,450
attempting to do this correctly and I

2408
01:42:23,460 --> 01:42:20,770
think that they should be acknowledged

2409
01:42:27,330 --> 01:42:23,470
and and their work should be at least

2410
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:27,340
presented as a possible via you know

2411
01:42:33,390 --> 01:42:30,610
viable alternative to the morass of true

2412
01:42:34,860 --> 01:42:33,400
belieber ism which rightfully so has

2413
01:42:36,110 --> 01:42:34,870
been pointed out as being quasi

2414
01:42:40,110 --> 01:42:36,120
religious in nature

2415
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:40,120
who would you say would be at the fore

2416
01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:42,610
of that grassroots movement currently

2417
01:42:48,210 --> 01:42:46,420
today should be called out I really

2418
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:48,220
hesitate to start naming some names here

2419
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:50,650
but but but let's just say this there

2420
01:42:55,230 --> 01:42:52,330
are some individuals that are quietly

2421
01:42:57,570 --> 01:42:55,240
going about the task of actually doing

2422
01:43:00,570 --> 01:42:57,580
field work and going out and attempting

2423
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:00,580
to ascertain the validity and veracity

2424
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:03,670
of events and witnesses I don't want to

2425
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:05,770
give any names out because I don't have

2426
01:43:10,110 --> 01:43:08,320
permission to piss on extent I think

2427
01:43:12,090 --> 01:43:10,120
part of the discussion is kind of

2428
01:43:14,820 --> 01:43:12,100
missing a bit at the point that I was

2429
01:43:17,250 --> 01:43:14,830
trying to get out with my question which

2430
01:43:19,260 --> 01:43:17,260
was okay we have what you call the true

2431
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:19,270
believers and they seem to be being

2432
01:43:23,550 --> 01:43:22,570
devalued here to the point where we

2433
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:23,560
shouldn't really have to pay attention

2434
01:43:28,980 --> 01:43:26,010
to them we should just get all this

2435
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:28,990
scientific evidence say on a video or

2436
01:43:33,630 --> 01:43:30,910
something but the point I'm trying to

2437
01:43:35,850 --> 01:43:33,640
make is that even if some scientist or

2438
01:43:36,630 --> 01:43:35,860
another purse that some video happens to

2439
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:36,640
be if some

2440
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:38,890
thing there is still an element like

2441
01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:41,290
yourself Chris like myself and a number

2442
01:43:45,330 --> 01:43:43,030
of other people who have had the

2443
01:43:48,210 --> 01:43:45,340
experiences that already know it's here

2444
01:43:51,180 --> 01:43:48,220
and it's already real so what do we do

2445
01:43:53,130 --> 01:43:51,190
what does this family do who already

2446
01:43:55,020 --> 01:43:53,140
know who don't need the sceptics who

2447
01:43:56,670 --> 01:43:55,030
don't need the scientists to tell us

2448
01:43:59,190 --> 01:43:56,680
what's already really don't need the

2449
01:44:02,370 --> 01:43:59,200
politicians what can we do

2450
01:44:04,590 --> 01:44:02,380
I'm doing it progressive it's right I'm

2451
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:04,600
doing it I write books I have you know

2452
01:44:09,390 --> 01:44:07,600
I'm working with Jean on the show I try

2453
01:44:11,610 --> 01:44:09,400
to bring sanity to some of these

2454
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:11,620
ridiculous television programs that are

2455
01:44:14,730 --> 01:44:12,130
out there

2456
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:14,740
I'm helping develop better shows that

2457
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:16,930
that deal with these phenomenal subjects

2458
01:44:21,780 --> 01:44:18,730
in a more even-handed objective manner

2459
01:44:24,570 --> 01:44:21,790
I'm trying to create a sense of

2460
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:24,580
groundedness to these subjects I'm

2461
01:44:29,100 --> 01:44:26,410
pointing my finger at the Emperor's on

2462
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:29,110
parade who are naked or waltzing around

2463
01:44:33,420 --> 01:44:30,730
talking about the end of the world in

2464
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:33,430
two weeks whatever it might be you know

2465
01:44:37,410 --> 01:44:34,330
what more do you want

2466
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:37,420
I'm almost 60 years old I'm working my

2467
01:44:41,940 --> 01:44:39,520
ass off there's really only so much time

2468
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:41,950
I have in a week in a day you know in a

2469
01:44:47,340 --> 01:44:44,410
month I'm doing everything I can I can't

2470
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:47,350
go out and do like I did for 13 years go

2471
01:44:52,740 --> 01:44:49,450
out and log you know 300,000 miles on my

2472
01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:52,750
truck in five six years I I just can't

2473
01:44:57,090 --> 01:44:55,420
do that anymore I can inspire others and

2474
01:45:00,150 --> 01:44:57,100
if people approach me and say you know

2475
01:45:02,370 --> 01:45:00,160
how can I do that I help them I give

2476
01:45:04,380 --> 01:45:02,380
them pointers I tell them these are the

2477
01:45:06,210 --> 01:45:04,390
things that I did and I even wrote them

2478
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:06,220
down as 13 suggested rules of

2479
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:07,210
Investigation

2480
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:10,960
this is turnabout is fair play with Jean

2481
01:45:16,050 --> 01:45:13,450
and Chris and Bert state and Jeff

2482
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:16,060
Crowell and Chris Johnson and ufology

2483
01:45:28,610 --> 01:45:20,290
and you're in the para cast

2484
01:45:36,860 --> 01:45:32,340
thank you for listening to GCN be sure

2485
01:45:39,330 --> 01:45:36,870
to visit GC and live.com today

2486
01:45:40,620 --> 01:45:39,340
first game attack of the rock codes and

2487
01:45:42,750 --> 01:45:40,630
it was a critically acclaimed success

2488
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:42,760
and now there is the coming of the

2489
01:45:46,830 --> 01:45:44,530
protectors a former military

2490
01:45:49,020 --> 01:45:46,840
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2491
01:45:51,630 --> 01:45:49,030
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2492
01:45:53,070 --> 01:45:51,640
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2493
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:53,080
our distant planet are planning to

2494
01:45:56,580 --> 01:45:53,920
conquer the earth

2495
01:45:59,370 --> 01:45:56,590
this is gripping science fiction of the

2496
01:46:01,260 --> 01:45:59,380
classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

2497
01:46:04,050 --> 01:46:01,270
the coming of the protectors find out

2498
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:04,060
more and Rocco is calm that's Rocco it's

2499
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:07,840
ROC Keo like des calm so here's what

2500
01:46:12,510 --> 01:46:09,610
happened I was placing an order online

2501
01:46:14,970 --> 01:46:12,520
the site went down it just stopped

2502
01:46:16,740 --> 01:46:14,980
responding it took hours before it

2503
01:46:18,510 --> 01:46:16,750
returned but I'd already placed the

2504
01:46:21,090 --> 01:46:18,520
order with another company if your site

2505
01:46:22,650 --> 01:46:21,100
goes down you could lose business and if

2506
01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:22,660
you have a business or personal site

2507
01:46:28,770 --> 01:46:25,060
you'll want to know it's easy to run and

2508
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:28,780
it will stay online at iWeb your site is

2509
01:46:34,500 --> 01:46:31,210
hosted on one of the most reliable

2510
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:34,510
networks in the world check it out I web

2511
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:44,220
[Music]

2512
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:46,840
hey neighbor what are you doing digging

2513
01:46:52,420 --> 01:46:49,760
you had a heart attack last year oh I

2514
01:46:54,250 --> 01:46:52,430
know I was told no more hard labor then

2515
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:54,260
why are you digging well I've been

2516
01:46:58,810 --> 01:46:56,330
taking extender bite it's been approved

2517
01:47:02,770 --> 01:46:58,820
to help my heart extender bite is that a

2518
01:47:04,510 --> 01:47:02,780
new drug no not a drug it's more like an

2519
01:47:07,690 --> 01:47:04,520
herbal combination made from garlic and

2520
01:47:09,130 --> 01:47:07,700
cayenne herbal how can that help well

2521
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:09,140
actually we've taken herbs for thousands

2522
01:47:11,860 --> 01:47:11,090
of years an extended bite is doing the

2523
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:11,870
job for me

2524
01:47:16,270 --> 01:47:13,970
does your doctor know about extender

2525
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:16,280
bite yeah my doctor knows and he said it

2526
01:47:19,540 --> 01:47:17,600
seems to be working for you so don't

2527
01:47:21,700 --> 01:47:19,550
stop taking it I feel great take an

2528
01:47:24,250 --> 01:47:21,710
extender bite I don't want to stop to

2529
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:24,260
order call one eight seven seven nine

2530
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:26,690
two eight eight eight two two that's one

2531
01:47:31,480 --> 01:47:29,330
eight seven seven nine two eight eight

2532
01:47:33,790 --> 01:47:31,490
eight two two or visit our website at

2533
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:33,800
heart drop calm

2534
01:47:52,620 --> 01:47:48,959
welcome back to to the para cast the

2535
01:48:02,280 --> 01:47:52,630
gold standard of paranormal radio and

2536
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:02,290
now here's Jane Steinberg some times I

2537
01:48:07,470 --> 01:48:04,320
think someone's gonna save the parrot

2538
01:48:09,450 --> 01:48:07,480
cast Chris you had a long answer there

2539
01:48:10,979 --> 01:48:09,460
and I had to interrupt it's a long

2540
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:10,989
answer it was just telling it like it is

2541
01:48:17,250 --> 01:48:14,080
Jean I really appreciate everything you

2542
01:48:18,810 --> 01:48:17,260
just said there it is so true and the

2543
01:48:21,209 --> 01:48:18,820
amount of effort that you're putting in

2544
01:48:24,330 --> 01:48:21,219
and have put in over the years is is

2545
01:48:25,790 --> 01:48:24,340
absolutely remarkable and worthy of

2546
01:48:29,450 --> 01:48:25,800
[Music]

2547
01:48:33,420 --> 01:48:29,460
didn't mean any kind of negative way to

2548
01:48:36,090 --> 01:48:33,430
I do it because I feel I feel motivated

2549
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:36,100
I feel excited I feel like I'm doing

2550
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:37,810
people you know it's my community

2551
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:40,239
service okay my whole work with Ray

2552
01:48:45,300 --> 01:48:42,610
Stanford I have spent I don't know how

2553
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:45,310
much money with trips out there with

2554
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:46,930
phone calls back when I was being

2555
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:49,930
charged for him I and none of it has

2556
01:48:54,930 --> 01:48:52,690
generated a dime okay I'm doing it

2557
01:48:58,170 --> 01:48:54,940
because I'm the only person positioned

2558
01:49:00,990 --> 01:48:58,180
who he'll trust to talk to and allowed

2559
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:01,000
it document his process and at some

2560
01:49:05,550 --> 01:49:03,280
point when he says it's okay I'm gonna

2561
01:49:08,430 --> 01:49:05,560
reveal a whole bunch of stuff that I've

2562
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:08,440
been writing down about this guy okay

2563
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:09,760
now I promised I wouldn't mention them

2564
01:49:16,050 --> 01:49:11,710
on the show but I'm doing this as an

2565
01:49:19,950 --> 01:49:16,060
example of what's it called you know an

2566
01:49:22,170 --> 01:49:19,960
altruistic motivation okay well you're

2567
01:49:24,420 --> 01:49:22,180
the only person to do a job you got to

2568
01:49:26,970 --> 01:49:24,430
do it dressed with with respect to

2569
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:26,980
Stanford I think we're really lucky to

2570
01:49:31,470 --> 01:49:28,810
have someone who's in a position to be

2571
01:49:33,540 --> 01:49:31,480
able to do that in the field absolutely

2572
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:33,550
no question about it regardless of

2573
01:49:37,979 --> 01:49:36,400
whatever anyone else might say or even

2574
01:49:40,650 --> 01:49:37,989
some of the comments you'll see me make

2575
01:49:41,820 --> 01:49:40,660
about you know the whole issue itself of

2576
01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:41,830
why we can't see it

2577
01:49:47,790 --> 01:49:44,710
I think we're absolutely very lucky to

2578
01:49:49,470 --> 01:49:47,800
have you in that position the other

2579
01:49:51,630 --> 01:49:49,480
elders that I'm working with on the

2580
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:51,640
Native American tradition I never talk

2581
01:49:56,250 --> 01:49:53,920
about that stuff I never talk about all

2582
01:49:58,590 --> 01:49:56,260
that all the the gratis work that I'm

2583
01:50:00,420 --> 01:49:58,600
doing from an altruistic point of view

2584
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:00,430
because I'm the I'm position to do it

2585
01:50:06,030 --> 01:50:04,330
and you know many are called in fewer

2586
01:50:09,210 --> 01:50:06,040
chosen and the few that are chosen

2587
01:50:11,700 --> 01:50:09,220
better ratchet up their freakin game and

2588
01:50:14,970 --> 01:50:11,710
really do the work that's all I'm saying

2589
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:14,980
and I either inspire people to do things

2590
01:50:20,850 --> 01:50:17,770
and help them in their process and keep

2591
01:50:22,860 --> 01:50:20,860
publishing or perish you know so us the

2592
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:22,870
believers the true believers should be

2593
01:50:25,950 --> 01:50:24,730
glad you're out there doing this work is

2594
01:50:28,530 --> 01:50:25,960
what you're saying and I would

2595
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:28,540
personally I tend to agree I think

2596
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:30,490
you're an asset to the field we got to

2597
01:50:33,930 --> 01:50:32,410
continue here there's a lot of stuff

2598
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:33,940
going on we haven't even had a chance

2599
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:36,010
yet now there are a number of questions

2600
01:50:41,190 --> 01:50:37,810
in our forum so we're down to our last

2601
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:41,200
four segments who wants to volunteer to

2602
01:50:46,290 --> 01:50:44,410
read some of them burn State yeah I've

2603
01:50:47,610 --> 01:50:46,300
got one just as a follow-up to this and

2604
01:50:49,470 --> 01:50:47,620
there's two kind of questions that come

2605
01:50:51,450 --> 01:50:49,480
together once from Toni MC and the other

2606
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:51,460
ones from Ravens Fianna and it's all

2607
01:50:55,410 --> 01:50:52,960
along this question of scientific

2608
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:55,420
investigation and Toni MC asks in

2609
01:51:00,270 --> 01:50:57,610
specific what are the concrete steps

2610
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:00,280
that must be taken to turn ufology into

2611
01:51:03,810 --> 01:51:02,290
something closer to a science and what

2612
01:51:05,610 --> 01:51:03,820
would those next steps Deanna and I

2613
01:51:06,300 --> 01:51:05,620
think a good combo thing that to go

2614
01:51:08,460 --> 01:51:06,310
along with this

2615
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:08,470
Ravens he asks can you even apply a

2616
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:10,690
scientific approach to a subject which

2617
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:12,760
by its very nature may be overturning

2618
01:51:16,290 --> 01:51:15,010
the foundations of traditional science

2619
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:16,300
boy

2620
01:51:21,180 --> 01:51:18,370
excellent combination of questions there

2621
01:51:24,860 --> 01:51:21,190
well I agree we may have to invent some

2622
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:24,870
new rules here but the first step is to

2623
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:28,000
agree that we don't know exactly what's

2624
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:29,770
going on yet we don't have a provable

2625
01:51:34,650 --> 01:51:32,560
case we can think that we do but we

2626
01:51:36,180 --> 01:51:34,660
can't really prove much of anything and

2627
01:51:38,730 --> 01:51:36,190
right now we've been doing the same

2628
01:51:42,090 --> 01:51:38,740
thing for 60 years and isn't that the

2629
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:42,100
definition of insanity expecting a

2630
01:51:45,690 --> 01:51:43,690
different result but we hadn't we

2631
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:45,700
haven't had a different result so let's

2632
01:51:51,890 --> 01:51:48,400
take the baby the bathwater throw it all

2633
01:51:54,540 --> 01:51:51,900
out and try something better to try to

2634
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:54,550
monitor what's going on and take a fresh

2635
01:51:58,320 --> 01:51:56,530
approach to looking at it do we have to

2636
01:52:01,200 --> 01:51:58,330
overturn all the rules of science and

2637
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:01,210
scientific research I don't know but if

2638
01:52:06,900 --> 01:52:05,110
we do we do Chris no man I don't

2639
01:52:08,940 --> 01:52:06,910
particularly agree with that gene I

2640
01:52:10,340 --> 01:52:08,950
really have a sense that a lot of good

2641
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:10,350
work has been done

2642
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:12,450
I don't think that just because there's

2643
01:52:17,150 --> 01:52:15,090
a lot of crappy work and a lot of you

2644
01:52:19,460 --> 01:52:17,160
know just I don't know people not being

2645
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:19,470
up to speed and just deciding to believe

2646
01:52:21,770 --> 01:52:21,210
whatever it is that that rings their

2647
01:52:23,210 --> 01:52:21,780
bell

2648
01:52:25,220 --> 01:52:23,220
I don't think all that should be lumped

2649
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,230
together and thrown out no but the

2650
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:27,840
problem here is we need to separate what

2651
01:52:33,050 --> 01:52:29,850
has been done I agree a small number of

2652
01:52:36,500 --> 01:52:33,060
people have done if 98% of the work out

2653
01:52:39,140 --> 01:52:36,510
there is junk let's get that 2% and

2654
01:52:40,970 --> 01:52:39,150
let's push the heck out of it okay so a

2655
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:40,980
better way to say that is let's identify

2656
01:52:45,170 --> 01:52:43,050
it and this is Greg Bishop really

2657
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:45,180
talking let's identify the work that's

2658
01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:48,570
really it opens up new vistas and new

2659
01:52:54,370 --> 01:52:52,230
door ways of thinking and and look at

2660
01:52:57,950 --> 01:52:54,380
the databases look at the kinds of

2661
01:52:59,540 --> 01:52:57,960
reliable data that we have and accept

2662
01:53:01,070 --> 01:52:59,550
that and maybe throw everything else out

2663
01:53:03,740 --> 01:53:01,080
but you've got to make a determination

2664
01:53:06,230 --> 01:53:03,750
because by saying that none of this is

2665
01:53:07,610 --> 01:53:06,240
valid even though there's some people

2666
01:53:10,010 --> 01:53:07,620
that could really make a strong case

2667
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:10,020
that that's a that that's true I I

2668
01:53:14,270 --> 01:53:12,780
personally don't believe that but we've

2669
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:14,280
got it we've got it you know at least

2670
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decide

2671
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keep and use that as the basis to build

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build a new car that has wheels that

2673
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aren't gonna fly off over the course of

2674
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60 years but that because bro that's the

2675
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:31,950
problem who's going to make the decision

2676
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:34,110
if you have a scientific field say

2677
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:36,800
geology okay there are authorities

2678
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:40,530
inside that field who define what gets

2679
01:53:44,150 --> 01:53:41,670
studied what's valid

2680
01:53:46,340 --> 01:53:44,160
yeah peer review and but you have this

2681
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:46,350
over you know umbrella type of

2682
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organization for psychology and

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astronomy and people who decide where

2684
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the fields going what's legitimate what

2685
01:54:00,710 --> 01:53:58,590
isn't what gets thrown out we don't have

2686
01:54:02,570 --> 01:54:00,720
anything like that in ufology okay we

2687
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have nothing because and and who's gonna

2688
01:54:08,030 --> 01:54:05,250
respect it anyway you know if I write a

2689
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paper in psychology and it's garbage and

2690
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I fight it they're gonna throw me out of

2691
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the field okay

2692
01:54:16,730 --> 01:54:13,350
and and nobody's gonna listen to me I

2693
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lose all credibility in ufology who's

2694
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gonna be the authority and who is gonna

2695
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succumb to that Authority okay where if

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I write a paper about

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that extraterrestrials are all from the

2698
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moon okay and the authority comes out

2699
01:54:32,689 --> 01:54:31,020
and says no that papers not valid

2700
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because we can show this and that show

2701
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than the snap okay and then I say well I

2702
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don't care what you say I'm gonna

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publish it anyway and and and go off on

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my own

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you know tasks well this has to be this

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has to be you know a stand beside effort

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I mean you've got to allow everybody's

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process to continue on the way it's

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going to continue on regardless

2710
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I completely agree I just don't think

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that there I think there's too many egos

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in the field that it's just not going to

2713
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happen I mean I I hate to say it but

2714
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there's just too many egos that even if

2715
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you get an authority type of

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organization Oh agree on anything right

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yeah speaking of egos there do we have

2718
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some more questions from the board there

2719
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well just to go along with that just to

2720
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go along with this discussion then

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because I think the cream does rise to

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the top and birds of the feather are

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gonna flock together good stuff is gonna

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happen with people who want to do good

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stuff but in thinking of outside of the

2726
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box stuff Wade asks a good question it's

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a pickup on the great Bishop piece Greg

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Bishop has mentioned before that if

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there were any forthcoming answers to

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the UFO phenomenon it might come from

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other seemingly unrelated fields I'd

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like to know what gene and Chris feel

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about this or what are the fields that

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you think would play an important role

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in the future of say you follow gee you

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know consciousness studies obviously I

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mean that that that's a given

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I think in this sense what we are

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learning about physics if we want to

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look at something like that learning

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more about how this universe works the

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more we discover about that the more

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awareness might come as to what might

2744
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cause some of the anomalies out there

2745
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I've always advocated exhaust all closed

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system explanations Before we jump to

2747
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the extra mundane or extraterrestrial

2748
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well that certainly covers a lot I mean

2749
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the key is of course that UFOs are seen

2750
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here or released if they're seen or

2751
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allegedly reported by astronauts near

2752
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Earth that's what we see UFOs we don't

2753
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see them on the phone

2754
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find all those this that always about

2755
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that possibility we're not seeing them

2756
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on the moon we're not necessarily seeing

2757
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them anywhere else so yeah we start here

2758
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I don't know about that but still yeah I

2759
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understand what you're saying there's an

2760
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exception or let's hear the exception do

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you think you're strange thing going on

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on the board in the rings of Saturn that

2763
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there's some pretty good pretty

2764
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interesting work that's been done on

2765
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that there's some you know the just talk

2766
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to Don Ecker about lunar transient

2767
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phenomena okay but you're talking about

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first of all we're learning more about

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what's going on on other planets other

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moons and that might lead us to some

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answers and maybe the lunar mysteries

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might although I don't think that's

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proven yet we can discuss that later

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is an example I don't know of the worst

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guests departed early and we knew why

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entertainingly bad how go for that

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yeah so I think in terms of worst guests

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I think he vies for it my answer to that

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would be there's a there's a number of

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them you know Aaron Kaplan really left

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me cold Joshua Shapiro kind of left me

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cold I thought those guys didn't you

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know bear well with the the questioning

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Jim sparks I remember one of the older

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it's uh I wasn't a bad knee they asked

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him well what are the bathrooms like you

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were on board that ship for five days

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well I think the question was where did

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you go to the bathroom if you were on

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the ship for so long how did you go to

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the bathroom that you just let a leak

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out quite making that graphic but you

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get the point that was a classic

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question classic you know in terms of

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he and his brother run that one was one

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of the few times I actually kind of got

2931
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:32,530
angry normally I keep an even keel as a

2932
02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:34,690
host of the show but but I started to

2933
02:04:40,230 --> 02:04:37,510
get a little hot under the collar about

2934
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:40,240
about the role that that their website

2935
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:41,920
is playing in the field and in very

2936
02:04:45,450 --> 02:04:42,850
detrimental role

2937
02:04:47,460 --> 02:04:45,460
it's very anti educational as far as I'm

2938
02:04:50,130 --> 02:04:47,470
concerned it's it's definitely part of

2939
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:50,140
the major part of the problem one of the

2940
02:04:57,870 --> 02:04:52,570
other bad episodes of the show is Bill

2941
02:05:01,020 --> 02:04:57,880
Ryan and Kerry Cassidy yeah it goes back

2942
02:05:04,710 --> 02:05:01,030
to 2006 and those days you see we put on

2943
02:05:06,990 --> 02:05:04,720
almost anybody and deal with it although

2944
02:05:09,780 --> 02:05:07,000
the greater emphasis was on credible

2945
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:09,790
guests but we get people like that

2946
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:13,450
and we go into their nonsense and we

2947
02:05:20,460 --> 02:05:18,130
come out left cold yeah anytime Greg

2948
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:20,470
bishops on I I think Greg is one of the

2949
02:05:23,610 --> 02:05:22,810
unsung heroes of real creative thinkers

2950
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:23,620
in this field

2951
02:05:29,490 --> 02:05:27,250
I really respect his his humor his

2952
02:05:32,820 --> 02:05:29,500
insight and his encyclopedic knowledge

2953
02:05:35,190 --> 02:05:32,830
the guy really does you know the work in

2954
02:05:38,130 --> 02:05:35,200
terms of reading the books meeting the

2955
02:05:40,260 --> 02:05:38,140
people ascertaining information

2956
02:05:42,630 --> 02:05:40,270
cross-referencing information and coming

2957
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:42,640
up with really good ideas I think Greg

2958
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:45,040
is one of my favorite heroes in the

2959
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:47,650
field I think my years you heard my

2960
02:05:53,250 --> 02:05:50,710
entirely too few people yet Micah Hanks

2961
02:05:55,620 --> 02:05:53,260
is another one I love Micah's brand of

2962
02:05:59,160 --> 02:05:55,630
thinking he's very erudite very

2963
02:06:02,220 --> 02:05:59,170
well-spoken any time he comes on it's a

2964
02:06:02,730 --> 02:06:02,230
pleasure I'd like to say ray Stanford

2965
02:06:04,710 --> 02:06:02,740
but he

2966
02:06:07,500 --> 02:06:04,720
not represent himself as well as the he

2967
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:07,510
probably should although I know you know

2968
02:06:11,670 --> 02:06:10,000
privately the guy's just an absolute

2969
02:06:14,820 --> 02:06:11,680
mind blower and he will blow minds but

2970
02:06:16,500 --> 02:06:14,830
believe me before he's done you know

2971
02:06:18,570 --> 02:06:16,510
there's been a number of people I think

2972
02:06:21,930 --> 02:06:18,580
Richard Dolan is very well-spoken

2973
02:06:23,700 --> 02:06:21,940
extremely bright you know we were able

2974
02:06:26,850 --> 02:06:23,710
to ask him tough questions and doesn't

2975
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:26,860
faze him you know we could go on and on

2976
02:06:30,930 --> 02:06:28,960
I mean there's been a ton of people on

2977
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:30,940
the show Kevin Randle even though he's a

2978
02:06:37,050 --> 02:06:33,760
little acerbic and you know kind of

2979
02:06:39,390 --> 02:06:37,060
hemorrhoidal and at times oh boy well I

2980
02:06:40,980 --> 02:06:39,400
would be too if I was Kevin Randle and

2981
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:40,990
had to deal with the amount of crap that

2982
02:06:45,570 --> 02:06:43,210
he's dealt with for the last 45 50 years

2983
02:06:47,190 --> 02:06:45,580
especially in the last year with the

2984
02:06:49,350 --> 02:06:47,200
subject that shall not be named

2985
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:49,360
especially with the Roswell slides issue

2986
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:52,000
you know and he can't it's foolish

2987
02:06:55,560 --> 02:06:53,770
Schmidt as far as he he can't he can't

2988
02:06:57,630 --> 02:06:55,570
Randle it because he knows it's foolish

2989
02:07:00,810 --> 02:06:57,640
man oh please please stop it now before

2990
02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:00,820
we you have the little cane that pulls

2991
02:07:07,500 --> 02:07:03,760
you from the side of the auditorium okay

2992
02:07:10,650 --> 02:07:07,510
red pill junky is a gem yes I think he's

2993
02:07:13,620 --> 02:07:10,660
beat a cure I particularly enjoy the

2994
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:13,630
time that he talked about the possible

2995
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:15,850
connection between near-death

2996
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:18,490
experiences and UFO abductions certainly

2997
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:21,250
Alejandro Rojas from open minds is fun I

2998
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:23,530
was on his show just the other week I

2999
02:07:28,710 --> 02:07:25,330
don't know if anybody heard it but yeah

3000
02:07:30,450 --> 02:07:28,720
you were great I into it Sunday I have

3001
02:07:36,180 --> 02:07:30,460
no idea what I said maybe similar will

3002
02:07:39,540 --> 02:07:36,190
tell me you were very articulate oh must

3003
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:39,550
be somebody else let's go to another

3004
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:40,090
question

3005
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:44,410
I got a follow-up to that one about the

3006
02:07:48,690 --> 02:07:47,050
shows from Tony MC first time poster and

3007
02:07:51,450 --> 02:07:48,700
he had a bunch of good questions for you

3008
02:07:53,730 --> 02:07:51,460
but this is you and Chris he says do a

3009
02:07:56,370 --> 02:07:53,740
decent job of asking probing questions

3010
02:07:58,290 --> 02:07:56,380
when the guest is full of BS which

3011
02:08:01,230 --> 02:07:58,300
guests have been the most out there

3012
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:01,240
while not sitting off your BS detectors

3013
02:08:06,510 --> 02:08:05,290
I don't know that's impossible to say

3014
02:08:11,310 --> 02:08:06,520
because if they're out there they're

3015
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:11,320
gonna set off our BS detected we give we

3016
02:08:16,390 --> 02:08:13,330
give certain people a little bit of

3017
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:16,400
leeway JC Johnson obviously screens

3018
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:19,610
I mean I just don't know what to make of

3019
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:21,650
the guy you know I've spent time out in

3020
02:08:25,509 --> 02:08:23,599
the field with him he seems to be

3021
02:08:27,939 --> 02:08:25,519
totally serious

3022
02:08:30,430 --> 02:08:27,949
I don't think he's delusional I think he

3023
02:08:32,859 --> 02:08:30,440
undergoes some pretty weird experiences

3024
02:08:34,930 --> 02:08:32,869
but you know where other people's

3025
02:08:38,020 --> 02:08:34,940
stories get tied in with his stories or

3026
02:08:40,750 --> 02:08:38,030
you know his maybe his recollections get

3027
02:08:43,569 --> 02:08:40,760
kind of murky here and there I'll tell

3028
02:08:45,399 --> 02:08:43,579
you there's no more entertaining person

3029
02:08:48,189 --> 02:08:45,409
around the campfire in a spooky place

3030
02:08:50,739 --> 02:08:48,199
than JC Johnson that guy is a master

3031
02:08:55,719 --> 02:08:50,749
storyteller he really is he's really

3032
02:08:58,540 --> 02:08:55,729
good whether he hasn't tweaked my BS

3033
02:09:01,120 --> 02:08:58,550
meter or not I mean you know there's

3034
02:09:03,669 --> 02:09:01,130
very few guests that I suspend my my BS

3035
02:09:06,910 --> 02:09:03,679
meter and and I do give JC a little bit

3036
02:09:11,229 --> 02:09:06,920
of extra wiggle room because he's so fun

3037
02:09:14,979 --> 02:09:11,239
to have on you know infuriated me was

3038
02:09:18,430 --> 02:09:14,989
Paula Harris oh yeah this is where she

3039
02:09:21,729 --> 02:09:18,440
had said at one particular lecture that

3040
02:09:24,370 --> 02:09:21,739
billy meier was the real deal and me and

3041
02:09:26,859 --> 02:09:24,380
be at me we got together and we pushed

3042
02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:26,869
her on that score you said that and she

3043
02:09:30,459 --> 02:09:28,729
tried to deny it well this that and the

3044
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:30,469
other thing but you said it do you use

3045
02:09:35,739 --> 02:09:33,440
those words and it got to be pretty hot

3046
02:09:37,540 --> 02:09:35,749
and heavy the other guest that was

3047
02:09:39,790 --> 02:09:37,550
infuriating because he's trying to make

3048
02:09:41,410 --> 02:09:39,800
a mystical event out of it and she seems

3049
02:09:41,919 --> 02:09:41,420
like a nice person I've met her a number

3050
02:09:45,580 --> 02:09:41,929
of times

3051
02:09:47,319 --> 02:09:45,590
Lyn kita she's a medical doctor she

3052
02:09:50,199 --> 02:09:47,329
should be qualified she should certainly

3053
02:09:54,160 --> 02:09:50,209
not be one who accepts too many things

3054
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:54,170
but she has made the Phoenix lights into

3055
02:09:59,469 --> 02:09:57,440
some kind of mystical event that far

3056
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:59,479
overshadows what really happened what's

3057
02:10:02,949 --> 02:10:00,800
going to happen is we have to a break

3058
02:10:05,529 --> 02:10:02,959
let me tell you again to go to plus dot

3059
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Luka

3066
02:10:32,729 --> 02:10:28,790
[Music]

3067
02:10:37,620 --> 02:10:32,739
thank you for listening to GCN

3068
02:10:40,739 --> 02:10:37,630
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suffered a serious bleeding event you

3085
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may be entitled to financial

3086
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3090
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numerous cases of hospitalization and

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even death phone lines are open 24/7

3093
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call 802 six one zero nine three seven

3094
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that's 800 two six one zero nine three

3095
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seven gold is it for you today Anderson

3096
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president of Midas Resources one of the

3097
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3098
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3099
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you wouldn't buy gold if you believed

3100
02:11:51,989 --> 02:11:49,989
that the government is doing a great job

3101
02:11:53,970 --> 02:11:51,999
that the Fed will stop handing out

3102
02:11:55,830 --> 02:11:53,980
trillions of dollars like bail out candy

3103
02:11:57,540 --> 02:11:55,840
that Social Security would be there for

3104
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you that's not what's happening

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you might even pass on gold if the

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stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

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or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

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or that your retirement will be secured

3109
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if all looks rosy to you then now is not

3110
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the time to buy goal for the realists

3111
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there have never been more sobering

3112
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reasons to diversify with gold since

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2001 the US Dollar Index has tanked 30

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percent while gold has risen 300 percent

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right now savvy investors are adding

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gold to their portfolios you should to

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find out what they know call us and I'll

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send you 10 reasons why gold will do

3119
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very well three eight hundred six eight

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that's eight hundred six eight six two

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two three seven uh no way is that a real

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awesome where'd you get a found em at

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patriot necklace calm wow they have a

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you tired of commuting to a job that

3141
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makes someone else rich working harder

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than ever but getting nowhere

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again that's 800 for 8 130 147 800 for 8

3174
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[Music]

3175
02:14:49,169 --> 02:14:47,010
hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

3176
02:14:51,090 --> 02:14:49,179
of dark skies the co-author of AD after

3177
02:14:53,240 --> 02:14:51,100
disclosure and you are listening to the

3178
02:15:00,689 --> 02:14:53,250
para cast the gold standard of

3179
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:00,699
paranormal radio so there we go we've

3180
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:02,410
got two more segments left we're trying

3181
02:15:07,260 --> 02:15:04,330
to get through your questions we've got

3182
02:15:10,979 --> 02:15:07,270
Chris Johnson or CJ Jeff Crowell

3183
02:15:14,010 --> 02:15:10,989
we've got Randall often those ufology

3184
02:15:15,630 --> 02:15:14,020
and we've got burnt State and we're

3185
02:15:17,610 --> 02:15:15,640
basically dealing here with questions

3186
02:15:21,090 --> 02:15:17,620
from listeners in our remaining segments

3187
02:15:22,740 --> 02:15:21,100
CJ you want to tackle a couple yes I'm

3188
02:15:24,660 --> 02:15:22,750
not looking at questions in the forum

3189
02:15:25,770 --> 02:15:24,670
but I've got to follow up on what we

3190
02:15:29,100 --> 02:15:25,780
were just talking about in the last

3191
02:15:31,979 --> 02:15:29,110
segment can you highlight in one of the

3192
02:15:34,050 --> 02:15:31,989
the pair cast has a huge back catalogue

3193
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:34,060
now filled with all sorts of characters

3194
02:15:37,740 --> 02:15:35,679
that we were talking some of which we

3195
02:15:41,550 --> 02:15:37,750
were talking about in last segments are

3196
02:15:44,160 --> 02:15:41,560
there particular shows that you can

3197
02:15:47,010 --> 02:15:44,170
highlight that that listeners old and

3198
02:15:48,300 --> 02:15:47,020
new should you know pay a special

3199
02:15:50,669 --> 02:15:48,310
attention to I mean I know you

3200
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:50,679
definitely mention Greg Bishop and Micah

3201
02:15:54,419 --> 02:15:52,480
Hanks and their episodes are always

3202
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:54,429
great are there any other individuals

3203
02:15:59,520 --> 02:15:56,560
who may have only been on once that you

3204
02:16:01,709 --> 02:15:59,530
know left you guys with you impressed I

3205
02:16:05,250 --> 02:16:01,719
guess and that you would recommend other

3206
02:16:07,439 --> 02:16:05,260
people go back and check out hmm we've

3207
02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:07,449
got nearly 500 episodes here the power

3208
02:16:12,840 --> 02:16:10,210
cast will be ten years old as of

3209
02:16:15,450 --> 02:16:12,850
February there's a lot of stuff there I

3210
02:16:17,459 --> 02:16:15,460
think a few guests who haven't been on

3211
02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:17,469
often would be worth listening to

3212
02:16:21,810 --> 02:16:19,360
because they might not be around anymore

3213
02:16:26,910 --> 02:16:21,820
we have an episode for August 1st 2006

3214
02:16:29,340 --> 02:16:26,920
dr. Jesse Marcel jr. because we have V I

3215
02:16:32,900 --> 02:16:29,350
witness somebody who when he was a kid

3216
02:16:36,570 --> 02:16:32,910
saw what purportedly was the material

3217
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:36,580
from the Roswell crash so that's one I

3218
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:38,800
think very key example we had him on a

3219
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:40,240
couple of times he wrote a book and

3220
02:16:45,450 --> 02:16:43,210
certainly that is the sort of episode I

3221
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:45,460
think that ends up being a classic

3222
02:16:50,790 --> 02:16:48,969
mostly because of the fact that he's no

3223
02:16:53,700 --> 02:16:50,800
longer here and therefore what we have

3224
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:53,710
is the record of what he had to say so

3225
02:16:57,870 --> 02:16:56,080
look that up anything with that and the

3226
02:17:01,200 --> 02:16:57,880
nice thing we've got here on the power

3227
02:17:03,810 --> 02:17:01,210
yes we have a show archive page with

3228
02:17:06,839 --> 02:17:03,820
every single episode is still there and

3229
02:17:09,150 --> 02:17:06,849
you could search it oh yeah yeah I'd

3230
02:17:11,129 --> 02:17:09,160
like to add a few names on there of

3231
02:17:14,150 --> 02:17:11,139
course you know the two shows that

3232
02:17:16,679 --> 02:17:14,160
really are dear to my heart or my real

3233
02:17:20,219 --> 02:17:16,689
inspiration in many ways dr. jacques

3234
02:17:23,580 --> 02:17:20,229
valet any time we've had jerome clark on

3235
02:17:25,560 --> 02:17:23,590
he's an absolute literally encyclopedia

3236
02:17:27,839 --> 02:17:25,570
of knowledge we've had a number of

3237
02:17:31,770 --> 02:17:27,849
people that we haven't had on very many

3238
02:17:34,889 --> 02:17:31,780
times Colonel John Alexander very

3239
02:17:37,950 --> 02:17:34,899
interesting shady in one sense and sly

3240
02:17:40,740 --> 02:17:37,960
and kind of a wink-wink but a lot of fun

3241
02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:40,750
to talk to him again I mentioned Kevin

3242
02:17:47,400 --> 02:17:43,840
Randall I think he was very important a

3243
02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:47,410
person to bounce stuff off of concerning

3244
02:17:52,740 --> 02:17:49,689
this latest Roswell slides thing Lloyd

3245
02:17:54,750 --> 02:17:52,750
arbok it doesn't do very many radio

3246
02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:54,760
shows he's one of the only people in the

3247
02:17:59,549 --> 02:17:57,130
United States with a actual degree in

3248
02:18:02,250 --> 02:17:59,559
parapsychology very interesting we just

3249
02:18:04,770 --> 02:18:02,260
had chris wachowsky on he's very very

3250
02:18:07,230 --> 02:18:04,780
good to listen to and i think he's a

3251
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:07,240
person that that just listening to him

3252
02:18:11,129 --> 02:18:09,040
one time you can sense this guy really

3253
02:18:13,620 --> 02:18:11,139
has a sense of what he's talking about

3254
02:18:15,570 --> 02:18:13,630
is very grounded you know brad Steiger

3255
02:18:17,669 --> 02:18:15,580
we haven't had him on the show for very

3256
02:18:19,889 --> 02:18:17,679
you know in a while I mean the guys

3257
02:18:22,620 --> 02:18:19,899
waiting over how many books Jean like

3258
02:18:25,320 --> 02:18:22,630
600 or something I mean it's like a

3259
02:18:27,389 --> 02:18:25,330
hundred 75 or something the last time

3260
02:18:32,250 --> 02:18:27,399
Brad Steiger was on we have to fix that

3261
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:32,260
was November 17 2013 yeah and by the way

3262
02:18:36,780 --> 02:18:34,000
the key about Steiger and it's very

3263
02:18:39,480 --> 02:18:36,790
interesting he was on the very first

3264
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:39,490
episode of the podcast February 28th

3265
02:18:44,639 --> 02:18:42,250
2006 and the other guests of course was

3266
02:18:47,490 --> 02:18:44,649
the late Jim Mosely I think if you want

3267
02:18:50,580 --> 02:18:47,500
to hear someone who is just a gem in the

3268
02:18:53,009 --> 02:18:50,590
field listen to every episode we did

3269
02:18:57,330 --> 02:18:53,019
with mostly we did a number of them yeah

3270
02:18:59,549 --> 02:18:57,340
talk about entertaining yeah Joseph

3271
02:19:01,139 --> 02:18:59,559
Ferrell somebody else that I think we

3272
02:19:03,690 --> 02:19:01,149
should have back on the show he's very

3273
02:19:05,580 --> 02:19:03,700
difficult to get as a guest with his

3274
02:19:08,250 --> 02:19:05,590
whole sort of revisionist you know

3275
02:19:10,889 --> 02:19:08,260
post-world War two Nazi money Nazi

3276
02:19:11,730 --> 02:19:10,899
technology information extremely well

3277
02:19:14,339 --> 02:19:11,740
researched

3278
02:19:16,860 --> 02:19:14,349
the Oxford research scholar Stan Gordon

3279
02:19:17,430 --> 02:19:16,870
one of my real all-time heroes out in

3280
02:19:20,549 --> 02:19:17,440
the field

3281
02:19:22,410 --> 02:19:20,559
incredible investigator all the way back

3282
02:19:25,680 --> 02:19:22,420
to the Kecksburg incident in the early

3283
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:25,690
60s his work and filter in Pennsylvania

3284
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:28,090
it's just you know nobody has been in

3285
02:19:33,509 --> 02:19:30,160
the trenches to the degree in extent

3286
02:19:35,879 --> 02:19:33,519
that he has a very well-spoken and in a

3287
02:19:37,469 --> 02:19:35,889
great guest to have on we'll be back

3288
02:19:39,419 --> 02:19:37,479
shortly he has a new book out right

3289
02:19:41,520 --> 02:19:39,429
we're gonna talk to him we're waiting

3290
02:19:43,770 --> 02:19:41,530
for copies of the book I don't have one

3291
02:19:44,969 --> 02:19:43,780
yet maybe Chris got his but as soon as

3292
02:19:46,799 --> 02:19:44,979
we get the book and have a chance to

3293
02:19:48,270 --> 02:19:46,809
look it over we'll definitely have him

3294
02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:48,280
back and we're gonna have Nick Redfern

3295
02:19:52,680 --> 02:19:50,260
on I mean talk about a guy that is just

3296
02:19:54,930 --> 02:19:52,690
a workaholic he has written so many

3297
02:19:58,440 --> 02:19:54,940
books is so up to speed on so many

3298
02:20:00,150 --> 02:19:58,450
subjects nick is a real inspiration for

3299
02:20:02,400 --> 02:20:00,160
me and I'm sure a lot of people out

3300
02:20:05,310 --> 02:20:02,410
there all the accolades that he gets he

3301
02:20:07,020 --> 02:20:05,320
deserves them and more you know I could

3302
02:20:10,280 --> 02:20:07,030
go down the line who else have we had

3303
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:10,290
some really cool folks

3304
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:12,970
Albert Rosales and is a humanoid

3305
02:20:19,770 --> 02:20:16,650
database there's another one I like and

3306
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:19,780
we want to get him back to okay go ahead

3307
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:22,479
CJ have another question I mean I think

3308
02:20:26,850 --> 02:20:24,640
that was a great answer I you know I

3309
02:20:29,820 --> 02:20:26,860
just wanted to get you guys on records

3310
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:29,830
to help new listeners you know be able

3311
02:20:35,219 --> 02:20:32,170
to navigate that back catalogue and I

3312
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:35,229
couldn't agree more with all of the with

3313
02:20:38,610 --> 02:20:37,210
all the the names you guys dropped it

3314
02:20:41,310 --> 02:20:38,620
was great I mean Brad Stigers just a

3315
02:20:43,020 --> 02:20:41,320
fantastic storyteller Moseley yeah a

3316
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:43,030
bunch of classic episodes right there

3317
02:20:48,270 --> 02:20:46,090
the key here is that we have an

3318
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:48,280
incredible catalog and what we've done

3319
02:20:54,120 --> 02:20:51,130
and not everyone does it we've made that

3320
02:20:55,260 --> 02:20:54,130
available free the entire catalog now a

3321
02:20:56,610 --> 02:20:55,270
lot of people have been saying you know

3322
02:20:58,920 --> 02:20:56,620
what you should put that behind the

3323
02:21:01,650 --> 02:20:58,930
paywall I think eventually we might

3324
02:21:03,960 --> 02:21:01,660
consider that but right now before we do

3325
02:21:06,090 --> 02:21:03,970
that or consider that if you want to

3326
02:21:07,350 --> 02:21:06,100
catch up on the power cast and see how

3327
02:21:09,719 --> 02:21:07,360
things have changed from the original

3328
02:21:11,969 --> 02:21:09,729
co-hosts to Chris and some of the guest

3329
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:11,979
co-host we had over the years see how

3330
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:14,290
the dynamic of the show has in some

3331
02:21:19,250 --> 02:21:16,690
respects change and other respects not

3332
02:21:22,170 --> 02:21:19,260
changed at all because I'm still here

3333
02:21:24,780 --> 02:21:22,180
why don't you look at our back catalog

3334
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:24,790
and enjoy it you know really one

3335
02:21:28,020 --> 02:21:26,650
things I was gonna suggest to regarding

3336
02:21:30,570 --> 02:21:28,030
the back catalogue and I don't know if

3337
02:21:32,540 --> 02:21:30,580
this is possible is if at some point you

3338
02:21:35,610 --> 02:21:32,550
know based on a lot of those names and

3339
02:21:39,060 --> 02:21:35,620
classic back episodes if there's a way

3340
02:21:40,830 --> 02:21:39,070
to go back you know edit them you know

3341
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:40,840
edit the commercials or anything out of

3342
02:21:46,020 --> 02:21:43,690
them and puts a select few of them

3343
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:46,030
behind you know as an incentive for para

3344
02:21:51,270 --> 02:21:48,010
cast plus subscribers it's a good idea

3345
02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:51,280
like featured you know or like all fame

3346
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:53,170
list or a highlight list or yeah

3347
02:21:57,420 --> 02:21:54,970
highlighted you know you have a Brad

3348
02:21:59,400 --> 02:21:57,430
stock or a Stan Gordon you know a Jim

3349
02:22:01,320 --> 02:21:59,410
Mosely like again like a lot of the

3350
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:01,330
episodes we just talked about here you

3351
02:22:04,740 --> 02:22:03,010
edit about all the commercials you put

3352
02:22:06,570 --> 02:22:04,750
them behind and it's an it's another

3353
02:22:08,670 --> 02:22:06,580
incentive to sign up for the pair cast

3354
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:08,680
plus and get a bunch of classic episodes

3355
02:22:14,100 --> 02:22:12,640
curated you know for you know people who

3356
02:22:15,900 --> 02:22:14,110
are interested in that stuff you know

3357
02:22:18,750 --> 02:22:15,910
what I would like to do that there's

3358
02:22:21,810 --> 02:22:18,760
only one minor problem with that is when

3359
02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:21,820
you edit what is an mp3 file of what

3360
02:22:27,511 --> 02:22:25,090
they call a lossy file the quality goes

3361
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:27,521
down some of the early episodes we

3362
02:22:34,110 --> 02:22:31,840
stream them live or at least a recorded

3363
02:22:36,420 --> 02:22:34,120
version of it and the quality wasn't so

3364
02:22:38,040 --> 02:22:36,430
great so we'd have to work with an audio

3365
02:22:41,370 --> 02:22:38,050
engineer and Chris maybe you could

3366
02:22:43,740 --> 02:22:41,380
tackle that difficult to beat a little

3367
02:22:45,450 --> 02:22:43,750
bit EQ it and stuff I mean it's not once

3368
02:22:48,030 --> 02:22:45,460
you get your settings for the for the

3369
02:22:50,310 --> 02:22:48,040
particular you know particular audio

3370
02:22:51,980 --> 02:22:50,320
quality of that episode then you could

3371
02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:51,990
just let it run it's not that difficult

3372
02:22:57,540 --> 02:22:54,610
well you know what let's think of a few

3373
02:23:00,390 --> 02:22:57,550
particular guests like Brad Steiger or

3374
02:23:02,580 --> 02:23:00,400
Jim Mosley classic episodes stick them

3375
02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:02,590
behind the paywall you get them if you

3376
02:23:06,090 --> 02:23:04,690
sign up for the power cast plus so you

3377
02:23:07,380 --> 02:23:06,100
better hurry and listen to them because

3378
02:23:08,220 --> 02:23:07,390
I think they're gonna disappear soon

3379
02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:08,230
okay

3380
02:23:12,750 --> 02:23:10,330
I'm being serious about here because

3381
02:23:15,570 --> 02:23:12,760
we're giving you a lot of stuff free of

3382
02:23:17,700 --> 02:23:15,580
charge that almost every other show out

3383
02:23:17,880 --> 02:23:17,710
there they charge for this stuff you

3384
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:17,890
know

3385
02:23:21,360 --> 02:23:19,570
great okay what's throwing a lot of

3386
02:23:23,130 --> 02:23:21,370
money on the table all right who's next

3387
02:23:24,900 --> 02:23:23,140
I got a question

3388
02:23:27,150 --> 02:23:24,910
shoot we're gonna have to do a break in

3389
02:23:31,230 --> 02:23:27,160
about 45 seconds go ahead here real

3390
02:23:32,821 --> 02:23:31,240
quick Tom 1961 from formed appear cast

3391
02:23:35,640 --> 02:23:32,831
calm

3392
02:23:37,771 --> 02:23:35,650
asks gene we would like to hear more

3393
02:23:44,191 --> 02:23:37,781
stories from your early days with Jim

3394
02:23:46,021 --> 02:23:44,201
Mosely oh boy you know the thing here is

3395
02:23:48,241 --> 02:23:46,031
I have to paint the picture and it's not

3396
02:23:50,970 --> 02:23:48,251
gonna end here it's probably gonna take

3397
02:23:54,060 --> 02:23:50,980
us through the rest of the show now Jim

3398
02:23:56,401 --> 02:23:54,070
Mosely hired me as the first full-time

3399
02:23:59,881 --> 02:23:56,411
employee for Saucer news as managing

3400
02:24:01,831 --> 02:23:59,891
editor this goes back to the 1960s and I

3401
02:24:04,621 --> 02:24:01,841
made all of $5 an hour which seems

3402
02:24:07,171 --> 02:24:04,631
really slightly below minimum wage now

3403
02:24:09,571 --> 02:24:07,181
but this is the 1960s folks it's like

3404
02:24:11,100 --> 02:24:09,581
getting what $50 an hour now it was a

3405
02:24:14,071 --> 02:24:11,110
pretty good salary for a college student

3406
02:24:16,881 --> 02:24:14,081
will tell you more about that background

3407
02:24:20,430 --> 02:24:16,891
we have turn around his fair play with a

3408
02:24:26,150 --> 02:24:20,440
panel of guest experts with Jean and

3409
02:24:33,500 --> 02:24:28,870
[Music]

3410
02:24:35,511 --> 02:24:33,510
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three one zero seven seventy one Sayaka

3478
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lower back pain hip pain poor posture if

3479
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you suffer from any of these problems

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get ready to relax introducing an

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amazing product that's been in the

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market for over 25 years the sacral edgy

3483
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3484
02:27:25,359 --> 02:27:23,390
using a common sense

3485
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osteopath technique he created this

3486
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device to help us athletes by isolating

3487
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and supporting the sacrum which is the

3488
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keystone of our anatomy this

3489
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wedge-shaped bone is in the center of

3490
02:27:36,399 --> 02:27:34,279
our hips where a lot of pain starts

3491
02:27:38,439 --> 02:27:36,409
simply relax 20 minutes daily on the

3492
02:27:40,300 --> 02:27:38,449
amazingly simple sacral wedgie and let

3493
02:27:42,550 --> 02:27:40,310
gravity do the work helping muscles

3494
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:42,560
rebalance and start releasing nerves sit

3495
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:44,210
on the sacral wedgy at the computer or

3496
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while traveling to help correct posture

3497
02:27:50,559 --> 02:27:47,449
to finally help relieve those stubborn

3498
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aches and pains for only 3395 it's made

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in the USA so click the family-owned

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02:28:01,120 --> 02:27:59,149
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3502
02:28:02,710 --> 02:28:01,130
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3503
02:28:05,290 --> 02:28:02,720
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3504
02:28:08,670 --> 02:28:05,300
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3505
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:08,680
your back pain away with a sacral g o

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3507
02:28:21,179 --> 02:28:18,830
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3508
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can even get it zeroed out completely

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02:28:25,939 --> 02:28:23,619
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3510
02:28:28,229 --> 02:28:25,949
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3511
02:28:31,139 --> 02:28:28,239
$10,000 or more that called a tax

3512
02:28:33,599 --> 02:28:31,149
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3513
02:28:35,580 --> 02:28:33,609
eight zero again that's 802 eight seven

3514
02:28:43,199 --> 02:28:35,590
seven one eight zero eight hundred two

3515
02:28:45,809 --> 02:28:43,209
eight seven seven one eight zero this is

3516
02:28:47,609 --> 02:28:45,819
the wrong tire cluster of the f1 cycle

3517
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:47,619
feed other books when you're listening

3518
02:28:58,450 --> 02:28:49,210
to the podcast

3519
02:29:01,220 --> 02:28:58,460
[Music]

3520
02:29:02,421 --> 02:29:01,230
c.j certainly has another talent I

3521
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:02,431
haven't figured out what it is yet but

3522
02:29:08,150 --> 02:29:05,130
we'll continue Chris Johnson is CJ Jeff

3523
02:29:10,520 --> 02:29:08,160
Crowell Burns State and of course

3524
02:29:13,390 --> 02:29:10,530
ufology one question was the early days

3525
02:29:16,460 --> 02:29:13,400
with me and Jim so understand here that

3526
02:29:18,410 --> 02:29:16,470
Jim had this office at 303 Fifth Avenue

3527
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:18,420
in New York and I come in there every

3528
02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:20,010
day when I was going to school I come in

3529
02:29:24,500 --> 02:29:22,050
later in the afternoon but I was there

3530
02:29:26,930 --> 02:29:24,510
and it kept me alive in fact it was a

3531
02:29:29,511 --> 02:29:26,940
number of years before I earned that $5

3532
02:29:31,460 --> 02:29:29,521
again per hour or more when I started

3533
02:29:33,500 --> 02:29:31,470
working in broadcasting it was probably

3534
02:29:36,740 --> 02:29:33,510
five or six years before I could get

3535
02:29:38,900 --> 02:29:36,750
that salary yet in any case one day this

3536
02:29:41,960 --> 02:29:38,910
guy comes in he's writing for a major

3537
02:29:44,240 --> 02:29:41,970
magazine he starts talking to us and we

3538
02:29:46,820 --> 02:29:44,250
got to know this guy and he was we

3539
02:29:50,511 --> 02:29:46,830
didn't realize somebody who eventually

3540
02:29:53,390 --> 02:29:50,521
become one of the most significant and

3541
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:53,400
innovative thinkers in UFO research that

3542
02:29:58,511 --> 02:29:56,730
was John keel this came over one day he

3543
02:30:00,921 --> 02:29:58,521
called Jim for an appointment and that

3544
02:30:03,890 --> 02:30:00,931
was certainly something really

3545
02:30:05,690 --> 02:30:03,900
interesting something unexpected and we

3546
02:30:08,540 --> 02:30:05,700
got to know him over the years but it

3547
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:08,550
all happened right there and that was in

3548
02:30:14,180 --> 02:30:11,130
the early days with Jim Mosely another

3549
02:30:16,400 --> 02:30:14,190
time I mentioned this before Jim got a

3550
02:30:18,140 --> 02:30:16,410
call from Howard manager the contactee

3551
02:30:20,960 --> 02:30:18,150
the guy that once was considered to be

3552
02:30:22,910 --> 02:30:20,970
the Jersey Adamski and he said he had to

3553
02:30:25,820 --> 02:30:22,920
talk to us now Jim Mosely was somebody

3554
02:30:27,950 --> 02:30:25,830
who in his saucer news magazine was

3555
02:30:30,680 --> 02:30:27,960
skeptical of the traditional contact

3556
02:30:32,841 --> 02:30:30,690
he's like a damn ski and manager but

3557
02:30:35,210 --> 02:30:32,851
mentor said let's have lunch so we went

3558
02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:35,220
across the street this is at 303 Fifth

3559
02:30:38,960 --> 02:30:36,570
Avenue in New York where we had the

3560
02:30:42,440 --> 02:30:38,970
office went across the street to a diner

3561
02:30:45,620 --> 02:30:42,450
and we had lunch with him and he started

3562
02:30:48,020 --> 02:30:45,630
telling us that he thought that he was

3563
02:30:50,301 --> 02:30:48,030
part of a government experiment that the

3564
02:30:53,450 --> 02:30:50,311
people he met who were supposedly aliens

3565
02:30:55,100 --> 02:30:53,460
were government agents so that's a

3566
02:30:57,381 --> 02:30:55,110
couple of the wacky things that haven't

3567
02:30:59,990 --> 02:30:57,391
way back when let's do some more

3568
02:31:01,490 --> 02:31:00,000
questions if they're out there okay got

3569
02:31:03,381 --> 02:31:01,500
a couple questions here from Blowfish

3570
02:31:05,911 --> 02:31:03,391
one of them pretty interesting during

3571
02:31:08,970 --> 02:31:05,921
your interviews in the 1950s 60s

3572
02:31:12,511 --> 02:31:08,980
these with UFO investigators such as

3573
02:31:15,901 --> 02:31:12,521
major Keyhoe dr. Ivan Sanderson and John

3574
02:31:19,111 --> 02:31:15,911
keel what was their worst fear about the

3575
02:31:20,851 --> 02:31:19,121
paranormal or UFO subjects I don't think

3576
02:31:24,511 --> 02:31:20,861
that was ever expressed by major Keyhoe

3577
02:31:27,121 --> 02:31:24,521
at all major Keyhoe wanted to sell the

3578
02:31:29,101 --> 02:31:27,131
proposition that he felt from the very

3579
02:31:31,861 --> 02:31:29,111
beginning the UFOs were spaceships get

3580
02:31:34,411 --> 02:31:31,871
the word out have disclosure dr. Ivan

3581
02:31:36,481 --> 02:31:34,421
Sanderson had a lot of fascinating

3582
02:31:38,731 --> 02:31:36,491
stories to tell but I don't know if

3583
02:31:40,771 --> 02:31:38,741
there was a fear now in terms of John

3584
02:31:43,671 --> 02:31:40,781
keel just read his books you know

3585
02:31:46,141 --> 02:31:43,681
because he was looking at UFOs and

3586
02:31:48,001 --> 02:31:46,151
demonology and you have to consider the

3587
02:31:48,601 --> 02:31:48,011
ramifications he was afraid of

3588
02:31:50,851 --> 02:31:48,611
everything

3589
02:31:53,791 --> 02:31:50,861
something like that also towards the end

3590
02:31:55,651 --> 02:31:53,801
of his life he was a very bitter man so

3591
02:31:57,930 --> 02:31:55,661
yeah another one from Blowfish says

3592
02:32:00,391 --> 02:31:57,940
what's everyone's thoughts on our

3593
02:32:02,761 --> 02:32:00,401
ancient history and speculation do you

3594
02:32:05,430 --> 02:32:02,771
think that the world's leaders will ever

3595
02:32:08,701 --> 02:32:05,440
disclose other advanced life forms in

3596
02:32:10,711 --> 02:32:08,711
our solar system if discovered well you

3597
02:32:14,131 --> 02:32:10,721
see that's a debatable question here

3598
02:32:16,801 --> 02:32:14,141
because we have number one whether the

3599
02:32:19,141 --> 02:32:16,811
leaders know anything that they can tell

3600
02:32:22,351 --> 02:32:19,151
us that's the first thing the second

3601
02:32:24,391 --> 02:32:22,361
thing is will events in the future force

3602
02:32:28,141 --> 02:32:24,401
them to say something and that could be

3603
02:32:29,821 --> 02:32:28,151
a mast landing of an alien craft you

3604
02:32:32,251 --> 02:32:29,831
know shades of the Devi Earth Stood

3605
02:32:34,591 --> 02:32:32,261
Still a mast landing certainly they

3606
02:32:37,201 --> 02:32:34,601
couldn't hide that but remember here too

3607
02:32:39,391 --> 02:32:37,211
that government officials will have a

3608
02:32:41,791 --> 02:32:39,401
penchant for secrecy witness all the

3609
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:41,801
debates over the emails from Hillary

3610
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:43,690
Clinton as to what should be secret and

3611
02:32:48,691 --> 02:32:45,730
what shouldn't be there's a pension for

3612
02:32:50,220 --> 02:32:48,701
secrecy there and I think if they were

3613
02:32:52,381 --> 02:32:50,230
going to tell us anything it would have

3614
02:32:57,031 --> 02:32:52,391
to be done kicking and screaming with a

3615
02:32:59,131 --> 02:32:57,041
moral or legal imperative so why do I

3616
02:33:01,321 --> 02:32:59,141
say something if follow-up question from

3617
02:33:03,781 --> 02:33:01,331
Ravens feet right on that topic do

3618
02:33:06,541 --> 02:33:03,791
governments in your opinion know more

3619
02:33:08,791 --> 02:33:06,551
about the UFOs than their citizens do

3620
02:33:10,801 --> 02:33:08,801
well I think they know more about case

3621
02:33:12,961 --> 02:33:10,811
histories but whether they know any

3622
02:33:15,571 --> 02:33:12,971
answers I don't know but it goes both

3623
02:33:17,821 --> 02:33:15,581
ways they could see a mystery that they

3624
02:33:19,741 --> 02:33:17,831
don't want to confront or a mystery they

3625
02:33:21,751 --> 02:33:19,751
can't solve and they don't want to admit

3626
02:33:23,430 --> 02:33:21,761
hey we're being visited by things we

3627
02:33:25,951 --> 02:33:23,440
don't know what they are yeah I think it

3628
02:33:27,961 --> 02:33:25,961
was a simple equation the more you know

3629
02:33:29,371 --> 02:33:27,971
the more confused you are the government

3630
02:33:31,321 --> 02:33:29,381
knows that held a lot more than we are

3631
02:33:35,220 --> 02:33:31,331
so they're a hell of a lot more confused

3632
02:33:38,041 --> 02:33:35,230
so they're okay last one from Ravens

3633
02:33:39,901 --> 02:33:38,051
feet says confession time what's the

3634
02:33:43,381 --> 02:33:39,911
thing you're most embarrassed about

3635
02:33:47,361 --> 02:33:43,391
believing in or being involved in since

3636
02:33:49,591 --> 02:33:47,371
being interested in this subject oh boy

3637
02:33:53,241 --> 02:33:49,601
you know what I've always taken the

3638
02:33:56,310 --> 02:33:53,251
attitude that I never a hundred percent

3639
02:33:57,991 --> 02:33:56,320
believed anything I accepted the fact

3640
02:34:00,151 --> 02:33:58,001
that weird things were going on but I

3641
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:00,161
didn't have a final answer and the nice

3642
02:34:03,841 --> 02:34:01,690
thing about that is aren't disappointed

3643
02:34:06,091 --> 02:34:03,851
you might be disappointed with a person

3644
02:34:08,671 --> 02:34:06,101
not turning out to be what you hoped

3645
02:34:10,861 --> 02:34:08,681
they would be you like I'll give you an

3646
02:34:13,051 --> 02:34:10,871
example of that I think I was more

3647
02:34:15,390 --> 02:34:13,061
impressed with Stanton Friedman early on

3648
02:34:18,411 --> 02:34:15,400
but he's become very doctrinaire and his

3649
02:34:21,961 --> 02:34:18,421
approach to UFOs and he has a certain

3650
02:34:23,761 --> 02:34:21,971
expectation of what they are and you can

3651
02:34:25,591 --> 02:34:23,771
never move him away from that he's

3652
02:34:27,691 --> 02:34:25,601
locked into it and that disappoints me

3653
02:34:29,911 --> 02:34:27,701
well how does the person that doesn't

3654
02:34:32,310 --> 02:34:29,921
believe in anything answer a question

3655
02:34:33,661 --> 02:34:32,320
about what I believe in that's true I

3656
02:34:36,241 --> 02:34:33,671
don't believe any of it

3657
02:34:38,161 --> 02:34:36,251
none of it I have a hard time believing

3658
02:34:41,071 --> 02:34:38,171
I'm on I'm sitting here doing a taping

3659
02:34:42,631 --> 02:34:41,081
with these disembodied voices coming out

3660
02:34:44,761 --> 02:34:42,641
of my computer well you know they're not

3661
02:34:46,770 --> 02:34:44,771
real that's Siri doing her impressions

3662
02:34:49,140 --> 02:34:46,780
how do I know I'm not gonna wake up and

3663
02:34:52,291 --> 02:34:49,150
this whole lifetime was a dream well

3664
02:34:55,501 --> 02:34:52,301
it's a matrix reality exactly I mean I

3665
02:34:57,841 --> 02:34:55,511
could die at some point in the distant

3666
02:35:00,270 --> 02:34:57,851
future and all of a sudden I'd wake up

3667
02:35:02,761 --> 02:35:00,280
and go wow that was a coolest lucid

3668
02:35:05,611 --> 02:35:02,771
dream I think anyone could ever have and

3669
02:35:09,001 --> 02:35:05,621
I'd be sitting in some with 50 virgins

3670
02:35:11,551 --> 02:35:09,011
you know in a pool of lava and I was

3671
02:35:14,881 --> 02:35:11,561
some like you know a creature that lived

3672
02:35:16,980 --> 02:35:14,891
in a you know a 2,000 degree of you know

3673
02:35:18,991 --> 02:35:16,990
environment who knows well I don't

3674
02:35:20,911 --> 02:35:19,001
believe any of it this really brings me

3675
02:35:22,951 --> 02:35:20,921
to a question I got to ask if it has to

3676
02:35:26,100 --> 02:35:22,961
go back to this what if when that

3677
02:35:28,501 --> 02:35:26,110
happened you looked over and there was

3678
02:35:32,970 --> 02:35:28,511
the tape recording from the hypno

3679
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:32,980
session you had as a child cool at least

3680
02:35:40,450 --> 02:35:34,010
I

3681
02:35:42,250 --> 02:35:40,460
and don't ask me again get your hand on

3682
02:35:44,290 --> 02:35:42,260
that that would be cool well there's a

3683
02:35:46,059 --> 02:35:44,300
lot of stuff that my parents went to the

3684
02:35:49,500 --> 02:35:46,069
grave wid that I wish I got my hands on

3685
02:35:51,940 --> 02:35:49,510
believe me uh there's a lot good things

3686
02:35:54,370 --> 02:35:51,950
you gotta try and get that you gotta

3687
02:35:56,740 --> 02:35:54,380
find that doctor and warehouse nipple

3688
02:35:59,290 --> 02:35:56,750
ivory berkland you know I don't know

3689
02:36:02,200 --> 02:35:59,300
yeah good good idea uh you know we're

3690
02:36:05,950 --> 02:36:02,210
talking almost Wow forty-five years ago

3691
02:36:07,090 --> 02:36:05,960
so you know maybe let me ask you folks I

3692
02:36:09,519 --> 02:36:07,100
know some of you have little things

3693
02:36:11,440 --> 02:36:09,529
going on in terms of blogs and stuff

3694
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:11,450
branch state do you have any place

3695
02:36:15,460 --> 02:36:13,130
online we can find out more of what you

3696
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:15,470
do no I keep that all pretty much secret

3697
02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:17,210
and don't expose it to anybody outside

3698
02:36:20,380 --> 02:36:18,890
of the work that I've done on a Greg

3699
02:36:22,990 --> 02:36:20,390
Bishop show and here on the podcast

3700
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:23,000
Jeff Crowell no not really I'm on

3701
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:25,010
Facebook than that I'm just a casual

3702
02:36:29,139 --> 02:36:26,960
observer these days you used to have a

3703
02:36:30,820 --> 02:36:29,149
blog I did have a blog used to have a

3704
02:36:33,490 --> 02:36:30,830
paranormal research group I did join

3705
02:36:35,830 --> 02:36:33,500
mousse on the other day CJ do you have

3706
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:35,840
any place where one can find more of

3707
02:36:40,360 --> 02:36:38,090
your work nope total stealth presence

3708
02:36:42,190 --> 02:36:40,370
just like burn state but you follow gee

3709
02:36:44,530 --> 02:36:42,200
you sure do we have a couple of seconds

3710
02:36:47,800 --> 02:36:44,540
here to tell us about it we've got the

3711
02:36:51,610 --> 02:36:47,810
ufology Society International at the web

3712
02:36:54,250 --> 02:36:51,620
pages dot-com USI baby that's right I'm

3713
02:36:57,719 --> 02:36:54,260
a card-carrying member hey and well

3714
02:37:00,309 --> 02:36:57,729
deservingly so an award-winning member

3715
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:00,319
flattery will get you maybe a little bit

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somewhere let me tell you again folks

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about the power cast plus we did this in

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response to requests have an ad-free

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just want to do it on the cheap and try

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it out sign up for a month-to-month you

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get the ad free version of the show

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higher quality audio we also have a

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second show called after the power cast

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which is color commentary sometimes we

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just can't do it all on the main show so

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we continue on after the power cast just

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as we did with Walter Bosley the

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previous week in fact this discussion

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will continue positively on after the

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power cast we've got more to do we're

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also giving away a couple of ebooks and

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Chris

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Brian for a one-year subscription to the

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a second book stalking the tricksters to

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learn more go to plus stop the para cast

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com+ thought for para cast comm Chris

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O'Brien site is our strange planet comm

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that's if you want to donate to the San

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Luis Valley camera project that's the

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place to go

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Berndt State Jeff Crowell Chris Johnson

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ufology thank you for joining us this

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week on the para cast thanks for opening

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yourselves up to the listeners to engage

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in this film thank you very much for

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having us really enjoyed our time on

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here and all the interesting insight and

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answers to the questions that were posed

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by us and the forum posters I appreciate

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the invitation to take part in this and

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I appreciate you guys doing a show on

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her to turn the tables I'm glad to be on

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the para cast that gold-standard

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[Music]

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible